Author |
Message |
Microbusdeluxe  Samba Member

Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 1005 Location: Bellingham, WA
|
Posted: Tue Sep 07, 2021 11:55 pm Post subject: Ignition switch and fuel pump |
|
|
First off I have a Bostig conversion so some of my wiring is different from when it was a waterboxer, but I wonder if anyone knows the answer to this.
I have a crank no fire situation. I've narrowed it down to the fact that the fuel pump is not getting power. Does anyone know for a fact if a bum ignition switch prevents power from passing to the fuel pump?
Like I said the engine cranks nice and fast. There is a good spark, in fact it will start when I spray starter fluid down the air intake. The problem is that I can't get any volts when I try to measure current at the fuel pump. I've grounded it on the pump and the chassis, so grounds are not the issue. I've taken off the outlet hose on the pump and no fuel is being expelled by it. I even put in my new spare pump, still no luck.
I'm going to try a new switch tomorrow but figured I'd ask here first. Thanks. _________________ '69 Squareback RIP
'65 21 window deluxe sold before the price spike, damn it.
'70 rhd bay now a taxi in South Sudan
'81 Westy sold
'89 hightop Westy Joker syncro 16" now with Bostig! |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
16CVs Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 4262 Location: Redwood City, California
|
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 8:54 am Post subject: Re: Ignition switch and fuel pump |
|
|
I doubt it's a switch. If the switch were bad you would not have spark. I think I would contact Bostig and find out where the FP relay or fuse is.
Stacy _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Triple knob (bastard)
1989 Syncro Tristar Triple knob "Swedish"
2013 Jetta Hybrid a true "Zwitter"
Samba member # 14980
Call anytime number 650 722 4914 .
Keep Your van running and upkept tastefully for the love of the hobby.
Don't let your van end up in an "abortions" thread. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Wildthings Samba Member

Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 52517
|
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:36 am Post subject: Re: Ignition switch and fuel pump |
|
|
I have no clue what the person who did your conversion did for a Fuel Pump relay. Maybe he used the stock VW setup or maybe he did something else? If you know who did the conversion now would be a good time to give them a call. A non running fuel pump could also be a problem with the ECU but that is not very likely. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
VicVan Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1972 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
|
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:47 am Post subject: Re: Ignition switch and fuel pump |
|
|
Try supplying your fuel pump directly with 12V. Use a fused wire running from the battery to the Positive side of fuel pump, listen if it hums, and start your engine. This will rule out the pump itself, and you'll be ceratin it's a power supply issue only. _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Microbusdeluxe  Samba Member

Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 1005 Location: Bellingham, WA
|
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: Ignition switch and fuel pump |
|
|
Thanks for the input. I'm the guy who did the conversion, following the Bostig method and putting 30,000 miles on it with very little trouble.
There is a relay that controls the fuel pump. I've put in a new one but no change. I can get the pump to run by wiring it directly to power, so pump and wires feeding it are good.
I am also skeptical that it is the ignition switch as the starter motor engages and it actually starts if I spray starter fluid down its throat, so I have ignition. But every other poster seems to jump to that so I wanted to see if someone could give me a definite reason why the switch would work for the starter motor and ignition but not the fuel system.
I am in contact with Jim at Bostig, a great guy who does free follow-up for all his customers for years. I'll post here what the solution turns out to be. _________________ '69 Squareback RIP
'65 21 window deluxe sold before the price spike, damn it.
'70 rhd bay now a taxi in South Sudan
'81 Westy sold
'89 hightop Westy Joker syncro 16" now with Bostig! |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
VicVan Samba Member

Joined: July 01, 2015 Posts: 1972 Location: Vancouver Island, BC
|
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Ignition switch and fuel pump |
|
|
Microbusdeluxe wrote: |
There is a relay that controls the fuel pump. |
Do you have 12V on the relay holder? If not, trace back the wire... _________________ '90 Little Blue Truck, 2WD auto, FAS GenV 2.0 NA (AVH) |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
16CVs Samba Member

Joined: February 22, 2004 Posts: 4262 Location: Redwood City, California
|
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Ignition switch and fuel pump |
|
|
So as mentioned check for power. One of those leads is a Neg input from the ECU. Once you find it, you can ground it and confirm that the relay is powering up and trace that wire color back to the ECU, most likely you have an Open or Broken wire. _________________ 1987 Syncro Westfalia Triple knob (bastard)
1989 Syncro Tristar Triple knob "Swedish"
2013 Jetta Hybrid a true "Zwitter"
Samba member # 14980
Call anytime number 650 722 4914 .
Keep Your van running and upkept tastefully for the love of the hobby.
Don't let your van end up in an "abortions" thread. |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Vanagon Nut Samba Member

Joined: February 08, 2008 Posts: 10497 Location: Sunshine Coast B.C.
|
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: Ignition switch and fuel pump |
|
|
Microbusdeluxe wrote: |
First off I have a Bostig conversion
Does anyone know for a fact if a bum ignition switch prevents power from passing to the fuel pump?
The problem is that I can't get any volts when I try to measure current at the fuel pump. I've grounded it on the pump and the chassis, so grounds are not the issue. I've taken off the outlet hose on the pump and no fuel is being expelled by it. I even put in my new spare pump, still no luck.
|
I'd say yes.
To me, the diagram below shows that when turning key to 50 position (turn starter), an internal connection at a 15 pin maintains positive from 30 to 15 thus to ECU so it can supply a ground to the fuel pump relay to allow pump to run while cranking the engine.
So though the ignition switch doesn't control the pump directly, if that internal 15 connection failed, the ECU wouldn't be able to turn on the fuel pump relay while cranking the engine.
Neil.
[/img] _________________ 1981 Westy DIY 15º ABA
(VW Gas I4)
1988 Westy DIY 50º ABA
VE7TBN |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
Microbusdeluxe  Samba Member

Joined: July 26, 2003 Posts: 1005 Location: Bellingham, WA
|
Posted: Wed Sep 08, 2021 9:38 pm Post subject: Re: Ignition switch and fuel pump |
|
|
Thank you so much for the diagram (I'd looked at the Bentley but didn't understand the picture). It does indeed seem like the ECU is failing to pull the relay to ground, so you may have solved it. I'm going to try something along this line that Bostig Jim suggested tomorrow and will let you know if it works. _________________ '69 Squareback RIP
'65 21 window deluxe sold before the price spike, damn it.
'70 rhd bay now a taxi in South Sudan
'81 Westy sold
'89 hightop Westy Joker syncro 16" now with Bostig! |
|
Back to top |
|
 |
|