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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 5:57 pm    Post subject: Fuel injection and porsche heads Reply with quote

I recently bought a '79 Westie. It has the correct block but with porsche heads and a single Weber carb. I would like to convert it back to fuel injection. My question is how would that work with the porsche heads, considering that the volume of the combustion chamber might be slightly different, the larger Porsche valves might create a different flow, and the spark plugs being placed at a different angle will detonate the mix a bit differently. All these factors will create a different dynamic from what the FI system was optimized for from the factory. Thanks in advance for your advice.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Fuel injection and porsche heads Reply with quote

Welcome

Are you saying that you have the 2.0 Porsche 3 bolt (intake manifold)
heads?

the valves are 42 int. 36 ext. on those heads
part # 039 101 371 A

Normally a 1979 bus will have square exhaust ports compared to oval ports
on earlier years from 1972.

You could always sell the 039 heads and go back to original 2.0 Bus heads
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2016 6:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Fuel injection and porsche heads Reply with quote

Seeing as how you are starting with a Frankenmotor, you might want to convert to a Megasquirt system instead of going back to the factory L-Jet. Roughly the same amount of trouble scraping the parts together, but the Megasquirt would be much more tailorable to your engine's peculiarities.

This is assuming that your local smog laws would allow it, but as you already have that Weber thing on there, I gather that isn't a concern.

Just curious, though: what kind of heater boxes are you using? As pointed out, the original '79 heads had rectangle exhaust ports, so also would the heat exchangers.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 27, 2016 10:26 am    Post subject: Re: Fuel injection and porsche heads Reply with quote

ohiowesty wrote:
I recently bought a '79 Westie. It has the correct block but with porsche heads and a single Weber carb. I would like to convert it back to fuel injection. My question is how would that work with the porsche heads, considering that the volume of the combustion chamber might be slightly different, the larger Porsche valves might create a different flow, and the spark plugs being placed at a different angle will detonate the mix a bit differently. All these factors will create a different dynamic from what the FI system was optimized for from the factory. Thanks in advance for your advice.


Seeing as Porsche used L-Jet fuel injection on their engines, it will have no problem reading the airflow generated by endlessly variable engine breathing dynamics and deliver the required fuel for same. You'll do fine, just make sure you adjust the AFM to meet the requirements of your specific engine.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 7:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Fuel injection and porsche heads Reply with quote

Amskeptic wrote:
Seeing as Porsche used L-Jet fuel injection on their engines, it will have no problem reading the airflow generated by endlessly variable engine breathing dynamics and deliver the required fuel for same. You'll do fine, just make sure you adjust the AFM to meet the requirements of your specific engine.

Reason I suggested the Megasquirt approach was that it's unknown what else might be different than stock about this engine besides the heads. If it was built with a "performance" cam, then getting L-Jet to behave might not be so easy.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 02, 2016 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Fuel injection and porsche heads Reply with quote

Sell the 2.0 Porsche heads and you will be ahead of the game money-wise
Then buy 2 NEW 2.0 Bus heads

It would be different if those heads were in a lighter car but, that's a decision for you.

IN A BUG, yes
in a 914 YES
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 8:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Fuel injection and porsche heads Reply with quote

old DKP driver wrote:
Welcome

Are you saying that you have the 2.0 Porsche 3 bolt (intake manifold)
heads?

the valves are 42 int. 36 ext. on those heads
part # 039 101 371 A

Normally a 1979 bus will have square exhaust ports compared to oval ports
on earlier years from 1972.

You could always sell the 039 heads and go back to original 2.0 Bus heads


Yes, I have three bolt intake heads with larger valves and plugs at a different angle.
The ports are oval. The title says '79 but the engine block code is GE ('78/79) and the M plate is '78 so I guess I really have a '78.

Can I use an L-jetronic setup and just drill the intake manifold to make it three bolt so I can keep my 914 heads? They are already rebuilt plus I am hoping that I will have a bit more grunt (914 had 90 horses vs 70 on the bus)

My other choice is to find a D-jetronic off a 914 but I think the L is superior.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Fuel injection and porsche heads Reply with quote

Don't forget that you also have to cut 4 new spark plug holes in the sheet
metal to match the new plug angle Since the bus holes are in an upright
configuration.

as far as which injection system is concerned it's a toss up depending on what you have for $$

D-JET was a good system and L-JET is also good and cheaper in the long run as long as parts are available.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 10, 2016 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Fuel injection and porsche heads Reply with quote

Whoops !

Forgot your question on the intake manifold bolt holes. Yes you can
drill the holes for the center studs.
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