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djway3474 Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2011 Posts: 2582 Location: The Real NDK So Cal
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:14 am Post subject: Re: February 1963 S with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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Rome, thanks for the radio information.
Bobnotch, AA makes a conversion flywheel with the pilot bearing in it. Clearancing for the larger flywheel is not a problem. The hardest part with the hanger seems to be what to attach to on the early cars. The shroud does look like a bit of work.
Thanks to all for the great info. |
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Erik G Samba Member
Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13308 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:24 am Post subject: Re: February 1963 S with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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the ISP West Tach is very nice, no one makes a clock conversion decal
look up supaninja here and on shop talk forums. He did Type 4 and megasquirt in his early notch. I've ridden in it, and it's nice
for the radio, the hard thing to find is the soft surround. I had to buy a whole parts radio just because it had the surround I needed
for your interior, it's hard to beat stock for 63 and earlier cars
Here's what a correct 63 looks like
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djway3474 Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2011 Posts: 2582 Location: The Real NDK So Cal
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 S with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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That's a good looking interior. |
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Clatter Samba Member
Joined: September 24, 2003 Posts: 7578 Location: Santa Cruz
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 9:08 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 S with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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If you dig through my thread, I welded a set of late rear mount brackets on.
With a more valuable early car like yours, it might be better to stick to bolt-on mods.
You can pick up the bar from the bumper mounts... _________________ Bus Motor Build
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djway3474 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jul 05, 2017 10:56 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 S with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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Clatter wrote: |
If you dig through my thread, I welded a set of late rear mount brackets on.
With a more valuable early car like yours, it might be better to stick to bolt-on mods.
You can pick up the bar from the bumper mounts... |
Thats a good idea. Anything I do I try not to alter the car much other than bolt on and bolt off. Thanks |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22481 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 S with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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Clatter wrote: |
You can pick up the bar from the bumper mounts... |
That's what Dan Zink did on his 65 Notch with T-4 power. I think he's got some pics of it on his home page, but sorry I don't have a link for it (I'm on the wrong computer).
OP, I was just pointing out some of things you need to be aware of. My son is using a 210mm flywheel on his car with a former 914 1.7L in it. We swapped the car over to IRS this spring (was in the plans for this winter though), as we really didn't want to try and buy a swing axle clutch for a 210mm flywheel for 1 summer of use. Now if he had used a 200mm conversion flywheel, it would have been different, as he already had a pressure plate for the SA trans. The conversion to IRS only set us back 3 days, but in the end, it's done so we won't have to mess with it in the winter.
As for adding rear mounts to a swing axle bodied car, I'd only do it IF I were doing an IRS conversion. It's a lot more work to do on a Notch than say a Fastback or a Square, since the air box is on the inside, versus the out side of a Fastback/Square. I know, as I converted my 65 Notch using later style engine hanger mounts. You have to cut part/most of the bottom of the duct out, and raise it to gain clearance to install the hanger brackets, then flip the brackets upside down, and side for side to get them to fit. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
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KTPhil Samba Member
Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 34121 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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djway3474 wrote: |
I would like to put a sun roof back in the car. How specific year wise do I need to be when looking for the entire sunroof assembly? I have seen entire later square backs for a decent price but they are later on and I really don't have the room to cut one up so I am hoping to find a donor roof section. Judging by the parts I now have I am not thinking a stock restoration but instead a nice highway cruiser. Any help with positive suggestions and what can be done would be greatly appreciated. |
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Is there a post of the ISP install of a sunroof? |
ISPwest put a sunroof in my car. They peeled the whole roof off at the drip rails. A lot of work but the end result is indistinguishable from a factory job.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=7003741
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ALLWAGONS Samba Member
Joined: June 03, 2000 Posts: 4211 Location: Pasadena CA/DTLA soon China
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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Hey Man, post some pics of your car! JK, but let us see this so called '63. Whenever an early one pop up everyone chimes in with info, and most times it get sold before anything happens.
Martin
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I recycle old cars and parts, other than when I rot, that's as Green as I am going to get.
Thanks to my Tesla driving neighbors, I feel more relaxed driving my SUBURBAN and old VW's.
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notchboy Samba Member
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djway3474 Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2011 Posts: 2582 Location: The Real NDK So Cal
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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I have a 3 button Blaupunkt with a T3 faceplate in my Ghia. I have a Sapphire with coffin buttons but no faceplate and no soft cover I did not use because it was not period correct. So now I only need the more difficult parts.
What is the soft cover made from? |
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djway3474 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 9:10 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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Here she is sitting on the bed frame I found her on. appears to be a later front beam to me. |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22486 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 06, 2017 10:19 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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djway3474 wrote: |
I have a 3 button Blaupunkt with a T3 faceplate in my Ghia. I have a Sapphire with coffin buttons but no faceplate and no soft cover I did not use because it was not period correct. So now I only need the more difficult parts.
What is the soft cover made from? |
Pebble grain like the dash and foam. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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notchboy Samba Member
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djway3474 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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Well, there were 4 parts for my low light Ghia that no one made so I made them and sold the extras. Sounds like it might be time to do that again. |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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djway3474 wrote: |
Well, there were 4 parts for my low light Ghia that no one made so I made them and sold the extras. Sounds like it might be time to do that again. |
Do you need a dash? Thats a part that is in serious need. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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djway3474 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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Do you need a dash? Thats a part that is in serious need. |
I need to know more about the soft radio cover. Is there any metal embedded in the material? If there is metal I would need an example of the raw metal and a nice example of the cover.
I have a new repop dash, are they still available?
I know people that have made air cooled dash parts and always have interest in taking on new projects.
If there is sufficient demand I will look into these projects |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 9715 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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You could probably make your own radio surround bracket using a large piece of aluminum, like 1/16" thick. It would be a simple type with a flat bottom, flat and straight-back sides. Make a pattern using a paper grocery bag or wrapping paper. Lay your radio on the paper to determine the minimum width and length. The face's top would conform to the bottom curved surface of the dash. The face would have a 1/2" or 3/4" wide flange on the top and sides. Bend and shape the flanges in your workbench vise. The top flange would have 2 holes drilled to attach under the dash bottom flange. The side flanges would be so that when you bend up the bracket sides (form the gentle curve along the bottom outer corners using a wooden dowel) you can rivet them together with two evenly spaced 1/8" rivets. For the front (towards front of car) of the bracket, you'll need to figure out how to hang it below the dash. Then make cutouts in the face for your radio knobs and the central pushbutton/frequency box.
When you have it all assembled, paint it with black wrinkle-finish paint. I'm nearly certain that the metal one I found in the mid '80's in a junked, heavily rusted 5-bolt wheeled two-toned Notch had either a black wrinkle finish, or a heavy pebble surface in flat black. You could also wrap the bracket with black pebble-grain vinyl glued on with contact cement which would help hide the rivets.
From that car I also removed a genuine Bambus under-dash shelf. Junkyard was located just outside New Milford, CT. I didn't even have a Type 3 at the time, but knew those were rare parts so I removed and kept them. I remember the car being safari beige with a black roof.
Would probably take you a full afternoon or two. You'd have to assess if your fabrication time can justify/balance the cost (and availability) of finding a used bracket. |
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notchboy Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:00 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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djway3474 wrote: |
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Do you need a dash? Thats a part that is in serious need. |
I need to know more about the soft radio cover. Is there any metal embedded in the material? If there is metal I would need an example of the raw metal and a nice example of the cover.
I have a new repop dash, are they still available?
I know people that have made air cooled dash parts and always have interest in taking on new projects.
If there is sufficient demand I will look into these projects |
The cover is molded foam rubber with a pebble grain cover like the dash and the wrap around sections have. Its all the same texture to match. There is no metal in it, just one molded foam piece.
Id have to see a pic of the dash you have as there are old repops and new ones floating around now. One has a meh ok finish to it the other does not replicate the finish at all.
And yes you are correct in needing a good original to truly replicate. That sir is the key. Find one or the person willing to front it. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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Erik G Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 9:35 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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He's going custom. No need for a correct dash right? Do good enough and leave the dashes for people wanting correct cars?
Just saying... muuhwaahwaaa and all that. If you are custom this, custom that, no need to spend $1k plus on a dash _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 07, 2017 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: February 1963 with sunroof, actually just boxes of parts LOL |
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djway3474 wrote: |
Here she is sitting on the bed frame I found her on. appears to be a later front beam to me. |
From the pic, it's hard to tell if the beam was swapped, or if just the spindles and rotors were swapped. The rear brake backing plates did come from a later 4 lug car though, as you can see the adjuster holes (66 on). _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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