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Vanagon_Adventures
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 Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 7:45 am Post subject: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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Whilst building my 2.1 WBX the other day my mind wondered towards my 1966 Bug (1300) and what engine I could build for it one day to give it some more liveliness in the future.. Then is struck me that the engine-case of the 2.1 is VERY similar to that of a bug.. With the exception of a slight "Bubble" on the top to make space for the larger crank stroke.
People spend a lot of money buying special cranks, rods, cases etc to get a strong and powerful Aircooled motor... But T3 engines are dirt cheap this side of the world and people basically give them away... And with the engine currently producing 112hp & 129 ft lbs torque I'm sure the case can handle A LOT.
The crank has a stroke of 76mm as well as strong rods out the factory.
It also has hydraulic lifters which is always a plus.
In my mind one of the only modifications would be having to cut away the water jackets and tapping holes in the block for the head studs of a Beetle.
Get some big barrels, pistons,heads, intake and carbs set up and youre done.. Right?
It seems really simple to be honest.. You could probably keep the flywheel and just replace the bellhousing of the Bug.. (Not sure if its that simple but might fit)
Anyone have any reason why this isn't feasible? (Oil cooling might deem to be a challenge now that I think of it, as the beetle oil cooler is mounted on top and the vanagon's is water-cooled)
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xoo00oox
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crazyvwvanman
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Vanagon_Adventures
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 8:03 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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Thank you I wasn't aware of that! Maybe I'll give it a try some day.
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Zeitgeist 13
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:11 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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I think it would be fun to build a WBX with aircooled jugs and liquid cooled heads.
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dabaron
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 9:23 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
| I think it would be fun to build a WBX with aircooled jugs and liquid cooled heads. |
i think the most challenging part would be figuring out the air flow to cool the heads.
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Vanagon_Adventures
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:50 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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| dabaron wrote: |
| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
| I think it would be fun to build a WBX with aircooled jugs and liquid cooled heads. |
i think the most challenging part would be figuring out the air flow to cool the heads. |
He means the other way around  = Liquid cooled heads
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Vanagon_Adventures
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 10:51 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
| I think it would be fun to build a WBX with aircooled jugs and liquid cooled heads. |
Well Im sure you could run an electric water pump and then run a small radiator to the front of the car... Shouldn't be too complicated 😁
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xoo00oox
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:02 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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Why not just leave the water jackets on and use them? It’ll still fit in your bug and you can have nice heat.
I ran a WBX in my ‘66 Bug for years and loved it. |
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Vanagon_Adventures
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:14 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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| xoo00oox wrote: |
Why not just leave the water jackets on and use them? It’ll still fit in your bug and you can have nice heat.
I ran a WBX in my ‘66 Bug for years and loved it. |
Radiator is the issue to deal with and I'm not fond of the holes in the hood technique to be honest
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xoo00oox
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:16 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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Neither am I.
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Vanagon_Adventures
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:20 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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Neither am I.
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Whilst that might work well and probably is more than enough power for being a daily driver.. It looks like a conversion and that, in my opinion, removes from the originality and classic nature of the bug... I like the look of the simple air cooled motor back there and is kind of a showpiece... Yours looks very busy with all the wires, radiator etc. But each to his own. Im sure that thing is an absolute blast to drive!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:29 am Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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| xoo00oox wrote: |
Why not just leave the water jackets on and use them? It’ll still fit in your bug and you can have nice heat.
I ran a WBX in my ‘66 Bug for years and loved it. |
Shucks, you probably missed out on all the fun of cold stop lights, 3,000 mile valve adjustments and dropped valve seats. |
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dabaron
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| Posted: Sun Aug 23, 2020 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: 2.1 WBX into a Performance Aircooled engine- Thought Experiment |
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| Vanagon_Adventures wrote: |
| dabaron wrote: |
| Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
| I think it would be fun to build a WBX with aircooled jugs and liquid cooled heads. |
i think the most challenging part would be figuring out the air flow to cool the heads. |
He means the other way around = Liquid cooled heads |
i meant jugs. sorry.
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