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eeberhar Samba Member
Joined: July 19, 2023 Posts: 1 Location: Ottawa
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Posted: Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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dgbeatty wrote: |
We use and recommend Northwesties hand down. We also strong encourage the use of three mounts as ARB recommends. For the early style gutters we simply weld a small stainless bar to the backside at no charge. It is a 5 minute job. Overall much much better than the "universal" versions. |
Does anyone have a picture of this? Sounds like a great idea!
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Vanuber Samba Member
Joined: February 16, 2020 Posts: 411 Location: Virginia
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 11:55 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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kamzcab86 wrote: |
So, I recommend going with NorthWesty's or Van Cafe's.
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Thanks for the recommendation. I have the RMW brackets on order. Unfortunately, I will have to wait until late July or August to install them with my backordered Fiamma F45S. I am surprised more people are not going with the RMW brackets - beefy strong and powder coated. I like the old GW brackets with powder coating, but the new stainless version just looks unfinished.
FYI - You can order parts directly from Fiamma USA. I was under the impression they were wholesalers only and end consumers had to buy through a dealer. Direct pricing and shipping was comparable but cheaper than GW and Van Cafe. _________________ '85 Westfalia 1.9L
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CherryPi Samba Member
Joined: June 23, 2021 Posts: 7 Location: New Orleans, Louisiana
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2021 5:55 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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eleven wrote: |
Hey "Private Marty"... It looks like you got the gutter clip in upside down. See screenshots below:
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I have these brackets for my new ARB awning as well and I cannot figure out how they are set up. I really do not understand the diagram that came with the kit either.
Can anyone post some step by step pictures of how the go westy brackets are supposed to fit together and then fit on the gutter?
Be kind. I am smart normally, but just don't see it on this.
I wish I had done more research and ordered the NW brackets because I am not planning to drill into my van either. |
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plummerdesign Samba Member
Joined: September 04, 2010 Posts: 541 Location: PNW
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Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2020 7:15 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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This summer I mounted the ARB Touring awning (aluminum case) on (2) NorthWesty stainless steel brackets to my 1984 Westfalia. Could not have been easier.
: ) _________________ It is old and green and it makes me grin.
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Franagon Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2009 Posts: 227 Location: Savannah, GA
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 11:01 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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I gave them a call. They seemed pretty certain it would work with the rack that I have. I will mock it up at home and get a better visual. The key is to remember to post the finished product with the canopy and rack so others can see as well. Thanks all again! _________________ 84 Westy Wolfsburg Manual - RG6 Bostig |
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sphet Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2016 Posts: 345 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:27 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Franagon wrote: |
Does the rack mounting clear the awning?] |
The guys at North Westy do so much Vanagon work I would just call them and ask! I'm sure they've encountered it before. _________________ 1982 Diesel Westfalia 1.6 NA - The Shellakabuukiee |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator
Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 7931 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Franagon wrote: |
Yes, I like the idea of the added structural stability of that next mounting point into the van, just hard to bring myself to it. |
Be aware that a handful of folks have experienced B-pillar cracking thanks to the rivnut. It could be attributed to not installing it with the special tool, but wanted to point out the potential problem.
I've got a metal case A&E Trans-Awn that's been on the van for 30 years (heavier than an ARB, slightly lighter than a Fiamma). It originally had 3 small A&E brackets:
(Borrowed pic)
The only issue was the gutter cracking at the B-pillar. When switching to beefier RMW/VC brackets last summer, no way no how were 3 brackets going to work due to the curvature of the van. If the awning had been forced onto the D-pillar bracket, it would've put a lot of outward force onto the B-pillar bracket (I hypothesize that's why only the B-pillar gutter area is cracked), thus the C-pillar bracket was left out during the bracket swap.
Once the bolts were thoroughly tightened, it's been rock solid. I much prefer the beefier brackets. GW redesigned their bracket; the base is now about as wide as the old A&E brackets I had. IMHO, wider is better. So, I recommend going with NorthWesty's or Van Cafe's.
Edit: Trans-Awn was replaced in February 2020 with a Fiamma. Using the same RMW brackets though. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
"Real knowledge is to know the extent of one's ignorance." - 孔子
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mikemtnbike Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2015 Posts: 2798 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:00 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Franagon- I have the wide body mounts on my poptop and there is no interference between the rack and the mounts, the awning is canted out slightly.
I also have the plunger style riv-nut tool, it's very nice kit, recommended. _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL 2.1 AT Westfauxlia. "Frankie" Totaled https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=764510&highlight=carnage
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Franagon Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2009 Posts: 227 Location: Savannah, GA
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:47 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Thank you for the input, after looking at my van last night, I didn't really know where the 3rd mount would even go! Also, one main concern I have is the existing rack I have on my pop top which looks like this:
https://www.yakima.com/widebody-brackets
Does the rack mounting clear the awning? (when the pop top is down) I don't have my rack mounted due to head clearance in my garage at the moment. I can certainly check. I am assuming the awning projects straight up from the edge of the rain gutter, maybe further away from the van? Forgive all the questions, just don't want to miss anything and hopefully this will help someone in the future. Thanks again! _________________ 84 Westy Wolfsburg Manual - RG6 Bostig |
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sphet Samba Member
Joined: November 09, 2016 Posts: 345 Location: Vancouver, BC
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:43 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Franagon wrote: |
I am looking to add a ARB 2500 to my 84 Westy, and would prefer not to drill holes in it, if possible. ... |
We have an ARB2500 with NorthWesty mounts on our 1982. We had them put them on for us (with the awning) on our way through Seattle area. We drove the coast down to LA, and back through Death Valley. The next year we did the Arctic Circle. Lots of washboard roads. Over the last three years we've had no problems with our awning or the mounts.
S _________________ 1982 Diesel Westfalia 1.6 NA - The Shellakabuukiee |
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valvecovergasket Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2018 Posts: 1492 Location: pnw
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:12 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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that astro tool set is the exact one i have. its well worth the money and youll inevitably find uses for the rivnuts on other projects.
once you use the tool and realize how much force it took to properly collapse the rivnuts that go with the awning youll wonder how people can manage to do it with the double-nut method and not having them get loose later on down the line. _________________ MegaSquirt resource - SpitfireEFI.com
gone, but not forgotten: '83 tdi westy - swap thread |
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Franagon Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2009 Posts: 227 Location: Savannah, GA
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Yes, I like the idea of the added structural stability of that next mounting point into the van, just hard to bring myself to it. Here is a tool I spied on Amazon, that looks pretty good and would be WELL worth it for me:
https://www.amazon.com/Astro-Pneumatic-Tool-1442-S...s9dHJ1ZQ==
Thanks for the input! Getting closer to getting this project going. _________________ 84 Westy Wolfsburg Manual - RG6 Bostig |
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Franagon Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2009 Posts: 227 Location: Savannah, GA
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Great tip! Those do look nice. Thanks again for the feedback! _________________ 84 Westy Wolfsburg Manual - RG6 Bostig |
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valvecovergasket Samba Member
Joined: October 10, 2018 Posts: 1492 Location: pnw
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:07 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Franagon wrote: |
I am looking to add a ARB 2500 to my 84 Westy, and would prefer not to drill holes in it, if possible. My other thought is going with 3 GW brackets they offer. Those of you with earlier vans, did the brackets work well? I see the North Westy brackets look good and do not require the drilling into the van, sold as a pair. Those of you that used the North Westy brackets, did 2 brackets seem to be substantial enough? Thanks all, always want to ping this group to get some last minute guidance. Thanks again, Fran |
for what its worth i used the GW brackets on our '83 and it worked fine. not much messing around required.
id recommend using a proper rivnut setting tool, as you only get one shot at doing it right and the method GW recommends by doubling up on a nut and drawing it closed doesnt seem like the best approach to me.
im also happy i drilled + added rivnuts, as it really enhances the structural stability of the whole thing. the awnings are heavy and every bit helps. _________________ MegaSquirt resource - SpitfireEFI.com
gone, but not forgotten: '83 tdi westy - swap thread |
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mikemtnbike Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2015 Posts: 2798 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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I can't speak for Northwesty's offering, but two RMW brackets have wored great for a few years of hard use for me. This includes quite a bit of forest service road driving and some high wind conditions. No drilling for them either. _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL 2.1 AT Westfauxlia. "Frankie" Totaled https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=764510&highlight=carnage
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Franagon Samba Member
Joined: January 13, 2009 Posts: 227 Location: Savannah, GA
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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I am looking to add a ARB 2500 to my 84 Westy, and would prefer not to drill holes in it, if possible. My other thought is going with 3 GW brackets they offer. Those of you with earlier vans, did the brackets work well? I see the North Westy brackets look good and do not require the drilling into the van, sold as a pair. Those of you that used the North Westy brackets, did 2 brackets seem to be substantial enough? Thanks all, always want to ping this group to get some last minute guidance. Thanks again, Fran _________________ 84 Westy Wolfsburg Manual - RG6 Bostig |
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IdahoDoug Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2010 Posts: 10256 Location: N. Idaho
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2019 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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813402 is the part number for the ARB awning mounts I chose to mount my awning directly to my Thule roof rack. This raises the awning 6 inches or at the van for a considerably roomier feel, plus no hole drilling, etc. In addition, we have 4 other vehicles the awning goes on from time to time, so all I do is move the entire rack to the other vehicle with the awning on it and adjust the width to suit. I also remove the ARB awning for winter to reduce weathering. At $12 per bracket they are a good value as well. _________________ 1987 2WD Wolfsburg Vanagon Weekender "Mango", two fully locked 80 Series LandCruisers. 2017 Subaru Outback boxer. 1990 Audi 90 Quattro 20V with rear locking differential, 1990 burgundy parts Vanagon. 1984 Porsche 944, 1988 Toyota Supra 5 speed targa, 2002 BMW 325iX, 1982 Toyota Sunrader |
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dgbeatty Samba Member
Joined: October 26, 2006 Posts: 702 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2019 7:01 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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We use and recommend Northwesties hand down. We also strong encourage the use of three mounts as ARB recommends. For the early style gutters we simply weld a small stainless bar to the backside at no charge. It is a 5 minute job. Overall much much better than the "universal" versions. _________________ Schau in das Buch |
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cmayna Samba Member
Joined: August 18, 2014 Posts: 1148 Location: SF Bay area, CA
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:28 pm Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Hmmmmmmm. Maybe so _________________ '90 Westy / automatic.
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eleven Samba Member
Joined: July 10, 2019 Posts: 14 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2019 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Gutter Mounts for ARB Awning: GoWesty vs. NorthWesty vs. RMW/VC? |
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Hey "Private Marty"... It looks like you got the gutter clip in upside down. See screenshots below:
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