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Alaskaberrys 
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 Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:59 am Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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Thanks again MsTaboo, I’ve checked out the vwdiesle.net forum and the 80-90 forum for info and Vince Waldon’s page also. I have to admit - I find the Samba so much easier to navigate, and while not as much info on T3 diesel setups as the others this seems to be a more active group - i.e. much quicker answers for DILM’s (diesel idiots like me  )
I just finished the “pump your glow plug” mod and it did work great - the green gremlin now actually starts! Unfortunately I could not find the NAPA relay in Juneau (and NAPAonline wouldn’t ship to a P.O. Box  - our only inexpensive shipping option in rural Alaska) so I ordered an “equivalent” from Amazon and it lasted probably about 30 millliseconds. So the VW relay is still carrying the full load for now, but with new wiring, cleaned contacts and new plugs it fires right up (21° this morning on way to airport). Headed to Fairbanks for holidays so am going to try talk the NAPA store up there to bring a relay in for me.
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MsTaboo
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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Yep, I have to agree that the Samba is a well run forum (thanks Everett!). But once you get used to the other forums there's some real smart cookies on those sites, and a wealth of info from past questions.
Use "the search" Luke!
Also, check out the Wiki site on 80-90.
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r.e.wing_fc3s
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| Posted: Tue Dec 19, 2017 11:12 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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you should buy the relay from vw or try and source one used. i find that the quality of electronic components is dropping rapidly. the oem relays are more expensive but reliable.
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Alaskaberrys
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 2:39 am Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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| r.e.wing_fc3s wrote: |
| you should buy the relay from vw or try and source one used. i find that the quality of electronic components is dropping rapidly. the oem relays are more expensive but reliable. |
My VW relay is still fine. The great thing about the “pimp your glowplug mod” is that it lets a way cheaper ($17) relay brunt the 48 amps glow plug draw and does not send all that juice through the VW’s original relay and 30 year old, undersized, wiring. The VW relay is still in place but now just triggers the new relay that is connected directly to the battery via 4ga wire - same as to the starter. My mistake was using too cheap ($9) of a substitute for the NAPA relay he called for - ‘click’ poof...
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 11:39 am Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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My pimped glow plug setup on my old Tristar. You can see the separate fuses for each glow plug and the main relay that handles all the juice.
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Alaskaberrys
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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| My pimped glow plug setup on my old Tristar... |
Nice work. I'm curious on your setup. Thats behind the right taillight, correct? Is the black cutout/box stock or added? Curious to what it was for.
Also, where was your OEM glow relay located?
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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Yeah, I'm curious about the box too. Is that in your build thread?
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Alaskaberrys
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:18 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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And looks like there is a hole similar to what was in the floor of mine - different location.
Curious to know what that was for. Matching hole through bed above has been welded/gooped over.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 1:50 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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Trailer wiring.
Not sure what the roof would have been for, maybe a spot light...
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MsTaboo
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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| Alaskaberrys wrote: |
Nice work. I'm curious on your setup. Thats behind the right taillight, correct? Is the black cutout/box stock or added? Curious to what it was for.
Also, where was your OEM glow relay located? |
Thanks. Yes, that's behind the right taillight. The black box and cutout are from the original factory installed Wabasto diesel fired water heater. The truck came from Sweden and had some extra cold weather options like this and heated seats. The water heater had a timer that could be set to start up in the morning before driving so the engine and cab would heat up quickly.
I removed the heater because it was shot and getting replacement parts for it was just not worth it ($$$). I also removed a bunch of related hoses and bypass Tees to clean up under the engine bay and reduce connectors.
That left a nice little box to use for something, like a stash spot for tools  .
The driver's side taillight has the air intake hose, relays for the heater, and the turbo cooling fan:
As for the glow plug relay it is still in the stock location.
I no longer have the truck, my partner didn't like diesels. I sure miss it. 
We ended up buying a brand new Nissan Frontier Pro 4x for her. (Soul less, but reliable, and it tows the trailer she wanted.)
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| Posted: Thu Dec 21, 2017 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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The water heater had a timer that could be set to start up in the morning before driving so the engine and cab would heat up quickly.
I removed the heater because it was shot and getting replacement parts for it was just not worth it ($$$). I also removed a bunch of related hoses and bypass Tees to clean up under the engine bay and reduce connectors.
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Yikes! That musta been fun!
I'm trying to come up with something similar to help out starting up in our Alaska winter weather - was hoping to install an electric inline water heater over a thermal pad or frost plug heater. But after I talked with Terry at Frost Heater he did not see any good options - usually they install on the oil cooler loop but the turbo oil cooler pump is there. He didn't feel running it on the cab heater lines would work as they rely on convection to circulate.
Do you have any info on the heater that came with yours? Crazy spendy?
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That left a nice little box to use for something, like a stash spot for tools .
The driver's side taillight has the air intake hose, relays for the heater, and the turbo cooling fan:
...I no longer have the truck, my partner didn't like diesels. I sure miss it. Sad |
Hopefully the new owner appreciated the fine shape you left it in! Wow its clean. (Not going to repost the scary picture behind my drivers tail light, lotsa rust there....  )
After spending time in our westy I keep looking at all that hidden room in the doka and start scheming.... 
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| Posted: Fri Dec 22, 2017 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3 Hose Dead Ends?? |
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| MsTaboo wrote: |
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The water heater had a timer that could be set to start up in the morning before driving so the engine and cab would heat up quickly.
I removed the heater because it was shot and getting replacement parts for it was just not worth it ($$$). I also removed a bunch of related hoses and bypass Tees to clean up under the engine bay and reduce connectors.
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Yikes! That musta been fun!
I'm trying to come up with something similar to help out starting up in our Alaska winter weather - was hoping to install an electric inline water heater over a thermal pad or frost plug heater. But after I talked with Terry at Frost Heater he did not see any good options - usually they install on the oil cooler loop but the turbo oil cooler pump is there. He didn't feel running it on the cab heater lines would work as they rely on convection to circulate.
Do you have any info on the heater that came with yours? Crazy spendy?
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Check out Wabasto's web site; they still make heating units.
https://www.webasto.com/gb/markets-products/light-commercial-vehicles/heating-systems/
The biggest hurdle will be plumbing the unit into the Doka. Unfortunately I didn't draw a schematic of the water lines and it's been a couple years since I did the work. The system did use the turbo aux cooling pump to circulate the water along with a series of one way check valves to isolate the warm water to only the engine block and the cabin heater lines.
You might be able to find someone in Europe who would sell the parts from a parted out Transporter. What you need are the check valves, relays, timer/ control unit (although the new one should have that) and a drawing of the routing. All the rubber hose bits can be remade from fresh stock.
You will also need a remote pump for the diesel supply. The stock unit was mounted on the frame rail by the vacuum bottle for the diff lock and just used some small tubing and a Y splice into the fuel supply line from the tank.
The system was pretty neat. In addition to warming up the engine block it ran the in cabin heat exchangers for pre-heating the cab.
A cheaper and simpler system would be to just use an electric water line heater to warm up the block.
(p.s. After going to Wabasto's site and looking at the specs of the smallest unit it comes with all the control, timers and fuel pumps.)
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Alaskaberrys
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| Posted: Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: 1.9l AAZ in T3; A learning experience A to Z |
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Check out Wabasto's web site; they still make heating units.
https://www.webasto.com/gb/markets-products/light-commercial-vehicles/heating-systems/
The biggest hurdle will be plumbing the unit into the Doka. Unfortunately I didn't draw a schematic of the water lines and it's been a couple years since I did the work. The system did use the turbo aux cooling pump to circulate the water along with a series of one way check valves to isolate the warm water to only the engine block and the cabin heater lines.
You might be able to find someone in Europe who would sell the parts from a parted out Transporter. What you need are the check valves, relays, timer/ control unit (although the new one should have that) and a drawing of the routing. All the rubber hose bits can be remade from fresh stock.
You will also need a remote pump for the diesel supply. The stock unit was mounted on the frame rail by the vacuum bottle for the diff lock and just used some small tubing and a Y splice into the fuel supply line from the tank.
The system was pretty neat. In addition to warming up the engine block it ran the in cabin heat exchangers for pre-heating the cab.
A cheaper and simpler system would be to just use an electric water line heater to warm up the block.
(p.s. After going to Wabasto's site and looking at the specs of the smallest unit it comes with all the control, timers and fuel pumps.) |
Thanks for the link - it does look like they have a nice product for the job. Growing up in Fairbanks I'm used to pan heaters and freeze plug type heaters, and your right way easier/cheaper options there. But having diesel onboard already makes for an easy off-grid heater/winter start aid. We don't have very cold weather in Southeast Alaska, -10˚f is rare and short-lived, but I like to drive up to Fairbanks for ice carving in Feb and would like to be able to re-start the doka after I get there 
Way down on the priority list but I'll start mapping all those hoses out.
Happy New Year!
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