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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:50 pm    Post subject: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

I have a Sewfine carpet kit and everything has fit well until I get to the the 3 pieces that fit around the back of the seat rails. I installed new pans and seat rails from KGPR about 7 years ago so I don't have the original pans to measure seat rail placement. This picture shows how the carpet fits now:

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I called Sewfine and sent them a picture of what was happening and their response was that the seat rails were probably installed incorrectly.
Here is my measurement for the back of the seat rail to the rear seat vertical seat base:
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Note that the tape is angled down, I figured this was the best reference point that was universal. Could someone measure their seat rails to see if I have them installed incorrectly?
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

Does your seat fit?

What year?
The distance between the 2 rails changed around 1969. I think this thread has measurements.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=602107&highlight=seat+rail+measurement
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

Thanks for the link, I couldn't find any measure for the rear but the measurement from the cross piece to the front bulkhead is the same as mine. From the pictures his track seems shorter and ends farther forward than mine. This would make my carpet fit.

The seats fit fine, when pushed all the way back the seat track hangs about an inch past the seat rails. I would have to cut off 2 1/2 inches of the track to get the carpet to lay down, which would leave 3 1/2 inches of the seat over hanging the track.

It's a 1970 Convertible.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

No help today, but tomorrow I need to uncover my 69 with the factory pans and rails in it.

The seats are out so I will be easy to take some measurements for you.

Your concern is front to rear carpet fit or the gap along the tunnel?

Sewfine is a stand up company. I haven,t anything but praise for Carol. Once you know what is "off" talk to her about ways to rectify the situation.

In their defense, no mention was made at the time the order was placed of non stock rail mounting.

They could have adjsted their cut if they had known.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:35 pm    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

Thanks for the offer Dj.
I agree Sewfine does nice work. I bought the whole interior from them and everything fit well, good quality and Carol has been holding my hand during the install.
I am hoping that when I get it all glued down the gap at the tunnel will go away.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

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I would have to cut off 2 1/2 inches of the track to get the carpet to lay down, which would leave 3 1/2 inches of the seat over hanging the track.


One of the rules in assisting to make things fit...always make adjustments on the cheapest part. IE, cut the carpet before cutting the seat rails. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 4:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

This thread, Karmann Ghia floor pan and chassis measured drawing (Metric) has the measurements you are looking for. They were taken from a 1970 Ghia Cabriolet with original floors.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 11:56 am    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

Looks like you are 2" toward the rear.

Measuring from the steel rear seat support to the back of the tracks is 10" inner and outer.....

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

Ok thanks all. It looks like I will try and get someone to bind the carpet after I cut it to fit.

From the line drawing from Evil Fiz it appears my seat tracks are 40mm (1 5/8") too long and are back 60mm (2 1/3") too far. I am surprised nobody has come across this before considering that the CiP1 (sorry to KGPR, I just checked my paper work) rails are not standard length.
Also the line drawing shows that my rails are 5mm farther away from the tunnel than they are suppose to be. This will probably cause me a gap that I will have to hide.

Thanks again all.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

Previous owner was probably tall. Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 18, 2018 3:43 am    Post subject: Re: Seat rail doesn't fit with carpet Reply with quote

Many Type I owners do intentionally weld their seat rails farther back to increase leg room.
Not at all unusual.

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