Brazilian "1960" bus questions

[danielzink]

The owner of the company that I work for has asked me do some work on his bus.

He has admitted that it is (in his words) a "brazil" bus from 1960.

I'm no bus expert as far as production by any stretch of the imagination...but I have done quite a but of reading in this particular forum (especially the whine/discussion) and I know that these "brazilian" buses are trying to be passed as "older".


So I don't know...is this bus 10 years old ? is it a legit 1960 ?...

I think he said the title reads 1960

I'm asking because I need to order some parts...so I want to make sure I order the correct year.

It has a kM speedo - he wants an MPH speedo.

He wants to convert to front discs...

Should I just order parts as for a 1960 ?

Thanks for any help.

Dan

EDIT:

and yes - I have read through the "front disc brake conversion" thread https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=475194 quite thoroughly
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[Clara]

Is it a legit 60? If it was made in 1960 then yes.

Is it the same as a German 1960 bus? Probably no. It seems that parts were used at different times in the Brazil buses, so it may have parts that were phased out earlier on German buses.
We are not experts on when the changes were made on the Brazilian buses.

AFAIK, split buses speedos are interchangeable from 56- through 67, and probably fit a Brazilian split bus. You want the one rated for the size tires it runs -- there is a 14" tire version and a 15" tire version. I would expect yours has the earlier (15") version.

For the front brakes... if it has a 3/4 ton suspension it should take the 60 style brakes. used 56-63. The one ton was an option as of 63, standard as of 1964, on German buses. I would expect it came new with a 3/4 ton suspension.
But it's not new now, is it?
It may have a 1 ton bolted in. My 61 had a 1 ton suspension in it when I bought it in the nineties.
what does the grease cap over the spindle nuts look like?

[easy e]

You can pick up a speedo out of the classifieds.
This will help you decide which to aim for: Speedometer Changes

You can probably tell what spindle it is by the wheel bearing nut or grease cap.

Here's how German ones basically are:
-63 = 22mm x 1.5 pitch
Grease cap has tapered sides and not very tall.
Google this: 211405672

63-67 = 18mm x 1.0 pitch
Grease cap sticks out kinda far and doesn't have tapered sides.
Google this: 211405672A
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[danielzink]

Okay - he scanned the registration and sent it to me.

It's a series of 5 digits VW in the middle the 60 at the end ie:

12345VW60

Does that follow "conventional" VIN numbers for a 1960 bus ?

Thanks.
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[EverettB]

It should be a 6 digit number like what ronjohn said
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[EverettB]

I can't remember seeing any VIN # in that format or a Bus, Brazilian or otherwise.

I'm not familiar with the Brazilian Bus VIN #s though but I found this post in another thread with some info:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2609428#2609428
It looks like a '60 would still be a straight VIN # with no special characters or year in the VIN #.

Possible wrong year on title:
I have seen Brazilian Buses listed as seemingly random years in the classifieds here.
I sort of assumed all of the ones that were listed as 1960 were BS and registered wrong since they look just like the 1970s Brazilian 15-Window Buses but obviously there are real 1960s Buses made in Brazil.
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[EmpiGT]

To me that sounds like a state issued vin for cars with vin problems. can you take a pic of the vin plate. Also pics of the bus. There is some knowledge about Brazilian built busses on here we can narrow down some on the Brazilian models, but alot harder than german built busses.

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