What is the difference between a "Standard" & a "Deluxe" Sedan?

[Denny B]

Inquiring minds want to know.

I have a 1965 Bug.

Today I was reading specs in a VW repair manual and I noticed two different "Sedans" mentioned on the spec page..."Standard & Deluxe". Both fall in the same VIN range. The standard is rated at 36 HP and the deluxe is rated at 42 HP.

I have searched the Internet and have found no information about this.

Anybody know the answer?

[hitest]

There are 157 thread topics in these 58-67 forums using the term "standard" in the title. Easy to search- hard to list every difference again.
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[Eric&Barb]

Also there is a VW Dictionary that you can access thru the "Technical" button at upper right.
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[Zundfolge1432]

The difference? Standard sedans went mostly to developing countries and European markets it was a more stripped down version with less trim smaller engine less options. To satisfy US demand VW sent deluxe sedans, maybe a few standards here slipped in like a type 3 Ghia.

Nowadays people make reference to standard to denote a type 1 that is not a super beetle. So to them there are only two models, standard and super which of course is incorrect.

[glutamodo]

Yeah, the Standard was the bargain-basement stripped down base model. Not surprising that VW chose to not sell them in the U.S. once they set up their own network of USA distribution. Hell, even the ones sold in Canada were slightly upgraded beyond their Euro counterparts.

Of course, as mentioned, once the Super Beetle existed, there had to be "some" name to call the normal Deluxe, and that rather became the "standard" although that is technically incorrect.
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[Helfen]

In 1965 VW changed the name of the standard to Type 111 "A" Sedan. In 1965 there are two "A" Sedans.
The first one is just the Type 111 "A" Sedan, the Second model is still designated as a Type 111 is called the 1200 Custom. The model has some Deluxe Type 113 trim including chrome bumpers, body side molding, 56-59 Deluxe steering wheel, chrome exhaust tips. Canada Custom's get towel rack bumpers standard, European cars towel racks are optional. The option code for the Custom is M1 or M10
Both 111 models come with the last year of the 36hp engine except the Canadian cars come with the 40hp 1200. Both the 36 and the 40hp are fresh air heater systems. The 36hp cars get the fully synchro box with a 4.43 R&P. the 40hp Canada cars get the sully synchro box with the 4.375 R&P.

The other differences between these cars and a 113 Deluxe would fill a page but the above is a good starting point.

[Helfen]

Also the Type 111 "A" Sedan and the type 111 "A" Sedan 1200 Custom model Chassis pans are different from the deluxe 113 in that they have NO seat tracks. Both 111 cars use the stud in the floor pan with a claw which goes over the seat tube and is fastened with a large wing nut to hold down and or adjust the seat travel. Also the pans have eight steel buttons in the floor for the four smaller floor mats to snap over. NO tar boards except Canadian cars.

[CNsylvester]

Was just reading this post while also reading the old promotional brochure, hope this helps.

[Helfen]

[Denny B]

[hitest]

We all forgot something really important! Deluxes: a dime a dozen. Standards: pretty much the coolest car to find here in the U.S.- rarer than tourist delivery and any "special edition" car by far. Yes, I'm a little partial.
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[CNsylvester]

Pictures origin? - I'm unsure. However the booklet was printed in Australia.

The booklet containing the two scans was inside the owners manual folder in the glove box of one of my cars, the rear of the booklet says "Printed in Australia"

See 2nd photo, last paragraph (I'm showing both the front and rear pages of the booklet that contained the deluxe and "VW 1200" extracts above).

[Helfen]

[mbliss13]

Paging Helfen!

I know there are numerous posts regarding the uber cool standards/Type 111/1200A. This one seemed like the most appropriate to post a reply.

Question for everyone. I just purchased a June 1965 "1200 Custom" and am having it shipped back to the US. There are a number of very interesting features on this car and wanted some feedback. To highlight:

1. June 1965 - Fontana Gray
2. Has the Optional Chrome package; this appears to be Chrome Euro blade bumpers, Chrome side strips, Chrome exhaust pipes.
3. Also appears to have the original Chrome grab handle for front hood, Chrome outside door handles, Chrome decklid latch, and Chrome headlight rings.
4. Interior includes 56-59 steering wheel in white, painted interior door handles
5. Interestingly, it has studs to retain the floor mats, BUT the pan and the seats are original and are on seat tracks
6. It is a numbers matching car, and includes the original fresh air 36hp engine
7. German delivered car with documentation that supports the matching numbers in the car (pan, engine, body vin plate).

Questions:
1. Car does not have hubcaps...with the chrome package, should this car have chrome or painted hubcaps?
2. I thought all 1965 model year cars were supposed to have wing nut attached front seats. Wondering if my car is a unicorn, with the original upholstered front seats on seat tracks?

I really am intrigued by these mid 60's standards. I am in the process of fully restoring a 1951 Standard Split Beetle, and think the rareness/uniqueness of these mid 60's cars is far more interesting than the split window cars.

Appreciate any/all information. I don't have a birth cert yet, and will post photos soon.

Thanks,
Mike
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1951 Standard Beetle (German Delivery)
1954 Beetle, L275 Light Beige Survivor
1960 Beetle Convertible, L41 Black
1962 Beetle, L87 Pearl White with Judson/1200 power
1967 Beetle, L282 Lotus White

[67 Florida Deluxe]

[finster]

I'm jumping into this murky area of standards with these observations:-
pretty sure the seats would be on rails by mid 65
would have expected the steering wheel to be a 3 spoke for german market
only central roof area lined
no fuel gauge but fuel tap
pretty sure the hubcaps would be chrome if chrome bumpers fitted
fully synchro gearbox
I assume this is a canadian brochure page:-

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[Helfen]

[Helfen]

[finster]

thanks helfen - I think I follow . when I said mid 65 I meant calendar year. sure I've seen pics of a 65 car made in june that was delivered in august with rails.
do you know which markets the custom models were made for?
looking forward to pictures of the car...

ps I owned a 67 sparkafer with no gauge and fuel tap. my friends thought this was crazy but I've never run out of petrol in any car so it was good brain training.
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[Helfen]