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Hatterasker Samba Member

Joined: October 31, 2011 Posts: 250 Location: Pacific Northwest
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 8:26 am Post subject: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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I might be installing a rebuilt 2.2l to replace my tired 2.1l. The 2.2 comes from a van with manual transmission. My van has automatic transmission. Is there anything that I need to do to the engine as it moves from manual to auto where it joins the transaxle?
On a side note, on my phone transaxle autocorrects to twaddle. _________________ 1990 Vanagon Westfalia |
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riceye Samba Member

Joined: March 09, 2006 Posts: 1696 Location: Caledonia, WI
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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Hatterasker wrote: |
On a side note, on my phone transaxle autocorrects to twaddle. |
Depending upon whether or not it has been rebuilt and by whom, you may have the extremely rare Weddle twaddle. _________________ '87 Westy Weekender - daily driver on salt-free roads
There's gonna be some changes made.
“I find that things usually go well right up until the moment they don't.” - Ahwahnee
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dabaron Samba Member

Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2709 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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Hatterasker wrote: |
I might be installing a rebuilt 2.2l to replace my tired 2.1l. The 2.2 comes from a van with manual transmission. My van has automatic transmission. Is there anything that I need to do to the engine as it moves from manual to auto where it joins the transaxle?
On a side note, on my phone transaxle autocorrects to twaddle. |
you will need to remove the flywheel from the engine and install your flexplate. you will need to get 5 new bolts, do not reuse the bolts. i believe the pilot bearing can stay in the crankshaft so no need to wrestle with that.
while you have access to the main seal, i would replace it. and since the engine is out, i would remove the pulley and replace the rear seal as well... ounce of prevention... _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL Camper
i had no idea i wanted to be a mechanic |
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jberger Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 2476
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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dabaron wrote: |
Hatterasker wrote: |
I might be installing a rebuilt 2.2l to replace my tired 2.1l. The 2.2 comes from a van with manual transmission. My van has automatic transmission. Is there anything that I need to do to the engine as it moves from manual to auto where it joins the transaxle?
On a side note, on my phone transaxle autocorrects to twaddle. |
you will need to remove the flywheel from the engine and install your flexplate. you will need to get 5 new bolts, do not reuse the bolts. i believe the pilot bearing can stay in the crankshaft so no need to wrestle with that.
while you have access to the main seal, i would replace it. and since the engine is out, i would remove the pulley and replace the rear seal as well... ounce of prevention... |
No reason not to reuse the bolts. They are torqued to spec, not torque to yield.
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MarkWard Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2005 Posts: 18725 Location: Retired South Florida
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:55 am Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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I believe the two lower engine mounting studs at the bellhousing end are longer on the automatic transmission, so you will want to transfer those to the replacement engine. Flywheel crank bolts are a different length than the flexplate crank ones, so you will need to pay attention to that. Throttle cable connects differently, so you may need to address that too.
Going from a flywheel to a flex plate, you should also address the endplay. Measure the endplay before removing the flywheel on the new engine and save that number somewhere safe.
Install the flex plate using the same shim stack and remeasure endplay. If you are lucky, no change is required. If not, you will need to reshim. Possibly your shim stack from the old engine, might have what you need.
While you are sorting out the endplay, it is better to use the old flexplate crankshaft bolts since you may be coming off and on a couple times. Final assembly, new bolts is a good recommendation. |
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dabaron Samba Member

Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 2709 Location: Philly, mang
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 11:43 am Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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jberger wrote: |
No reason not to reuse the bolts. They are torqued to spec, not torque to yield.
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the bible says to not reuse. i follow the bible. _________________ 1991 Vanagon GL Camper
i had no idea i wanted to be a mechanic |
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jberger Samba Member

Joined: November 17, 2003 Posts: 2476
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Posted: Fri Feb 22, 2019 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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dabaron wrote: |
jberger wrote: |
No reason not to reuse the bolts. They are torqued to spec, not torque to yield.
J |
the bible says to not reuse. i follow the bible. |
Good on you. Collective wisdom, not just my own experience justify my statement. These are relatively low torque fasteners that can be reused MANY times. Just like the head studs/nuts.. unlike every other modern engine with TTY fasteners.
Your results won’t vary
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Hatterasker Samba Member

Joined: October 31, 2011 Posts: 250 Location: Pacific Northwest
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 10:50 am Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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Thanks for the feedback. I want able to get the 2.2. _________________ 1990 Vanagon Westfalia |
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ftp2leta Samba Member

Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 3271 Location: Montreal
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member

Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12161 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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That was specifically mentioned four posts back. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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ftp2leta Samba Member

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outcaststudios Samba Member

Joined: February 09, 2015 Posts: 1754 Location: Maine
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:31 pm Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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ftp2leta wrote: |
Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
That was specifically mentioned four posts back. |
Yes my love
Funny that you post, you are one reason that I left The Samba
Ben |
well... if he hadn't, i would've pointed that out. _________________ '88Doka JX td
'69 westy
(rip)couple bugs
(rip)three type III"s
(rip) '81 vanagon
a bunch of french stuff,and 9 motorcycles.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2573791 |
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member

Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12161 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:42 pm Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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Probably because I sent Everett all your threatening PMs. smooches _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member

Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 10214 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:26 pm Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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Geez, the OP ended the thread 6 posts back. Nothing to see here. |
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ftp2leta Samba Member

Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 3271 Location: Montreal
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Zeitgeist 13 Samba Member

Joined: March 05, 2009 Posts: 12161 Location: Port Manteau
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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Purist? That's funny. I've never once threatened or attempted to intimidate anyone regarding my opinions. I've always stated that my opinions are subjective and entirely philosophical. Nobody is in anyway required to sublimate themselves to my personal design aesthetic. I merely state an opinion, the same as anyone else here. You on the other hand have taken intimidation to the next level. _________________ Casey--
'89 Bluestar ALH w/12mm Waldo pump, PP764 and GT2052
'01 Weekender --> full camper
y u rune klassik? |
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ftp2leta Samba Member

Joined: October 11, 2004 Posts: 3271 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Sun Feb 24, 2019 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: Installing rebuilt 2.2 motor |
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Zeitgeist 13 wrote: |
Probably because I sent Everett all your threatening PMs. smooches |
All I did here for so many years is help people, all you did is being a... you know what. Mr Purist.
No open mind at all, just bashing everything that was not.. pure. Not VW.
Everett and the team never warned me or ban me. They have better thing to do.
Where is your website about helping VW folks? I have 10,000 picture on mine all free of charge.
I came back with hope to see what was happening here, ,but I will leave again because of people like you.
The Samba is a great place but your messing everything and you are good at it.
Very sad indeed.
For the new people here, , my website is: www.benplace.com
It's full of free information about mostly Vanagon
So sorry, I am leaving again because of that dumb ass
Ben _________________ Working with rust, grease, dirt and dust is a sad truth.
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