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TheGrafs
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 Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2022 5:48 am Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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Hey Andy, I certainly recommend that while you have the chance! The product I used was Cromax pro waterbase paint, following their procedure it was “1&1/2 coats” being one coat at 8-10” and the half coat at 15”. Waterbased covers very well. Then one medium coat of clear was all I did. We switched product lines to PPG Shopline so the remainder of the car will be done base/clear with their products.
Im exited to see your progress, Andy!
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| Was going to do the same with mine, paint the wheel tubs and after that put it on the chassis, just a question, how many layers have you put on? Was thinking about 2 layers of paint and 1 clear coat, or is that not enough? |
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TheGrafs
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| Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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Been awhile since some updates! Glad to report that there has been progress made regardless of life outside of this hobby!
I started with some quick changes. The underneath of the luggage tray was sprayed prior with the Lizard Skin sound deadener. Testing that products limits, It still didnt quite hide the patch panels I had in there. So going all out I scuffed it up and put putty over it to help blend it in a little better. I wanted to spray it body color and happened to have a rattle can that was a close match. The larger patch is still peaking through a little, but it looks good for what will mostly be unseen.
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TheGrafs
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| Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 2:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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Touching up some body work, I blocked out the front end, fixed a point of damage where the old fender contacted the door and made those gaps better, re primed the door, front fenders, a spot on the drivers rocker and one rear quarter. Then an ambitious group of students decided to jamb the underneaths of the fenders and quarters.
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Even sprayed a lesney original 1600TL Casting!
I also scored another fasty decklid that was better than the one I started with at Terryville, so I will be using this one.
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vdubjiunkie
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| Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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Nice to see the progress. As usual, it fills me with nervous excitement at the idea that one day I might get some body work and paint done too!
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TheGrafs
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| Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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| vdubjiunkie wrote: |
| Nice to see the progress. As usual, it fills me with nervous excitement at the idea that one day I might get some body work and paint done too! |
Thanks Amigo! You will get there someday too!
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Fasty69Jester
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| Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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Insane progress, watching every aspect you hit on all the welding and matching panels its gonna be a beautiful car to cruise in.
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TheGrafs
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| Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 5:12 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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| Fasty69Jester wrote: |
| Insane progress, watching every aspect you hit on all the welding and matching panels its gonna be a beautiful car to cruise in. |
I appreciate that! Really hoping to make more progress soon!!
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:02 am Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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It's looking good. The hard part will be coming soon though...putting it all back together. Nice score on the deck lid. 
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TheGrafs
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:10 am Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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| It's looking good. The hard part will be coming soon though...putting it all back together. Nice score on the deck lid. |
I hope to have it together in time for the Type 3 Invasion! Thats the goals! The decklid and a pair of Solex’s off another 66 I scored for $60!
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 9:35 am Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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| It's looking good. The hard part will be coming soon though...putting it all back together. Nice score on the deck lid. |
I hope to have it together in time for the Type 3 Invasion! Thats the goals! The decklid and a pair of Solex’s off another 66 I scored for $60! |
Nice.
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http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:00 am Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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| good luck with the reassembly!! Especially the first drive after that |
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TheGrafs
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 11:12 am Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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| andybla wrote: |
| good luck with the reassembly!! Especially the first drive after that |
I cannot wait man! Thanks!
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DQDan
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| Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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The phrase "an ambitious group of students" is extremely powerful. I'd empower that crew with all the projects they would dare to try!
Great job!! You are changing lives! |
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TheGrafs
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:38 am Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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| DQDan wrote: |
The phrase "an ambitious group of students" is extremely powerful. I'd empower that crew with all the projects they would dare to try!
Great job!! You are changing lives! |
I appreciate that, Dan! Certainly changed my life as a student to be asked to come back and be the teacher! As a teacher I want them to be excited but dont want the reputation as the teacher who makes his students work on all his “junk” but they are begging me to work on this stuff! Ill link the wheels we worked on together!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=783208
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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| DQDan wrote: |
The phrase "an ambitious group of students" is extremely powerful. I'd empower that crew with all the projects they would dare to try!
Great job!! You are changing lives! |
I appreciate that, Dan! Certainly changed my life as a student to be asked to come back and be the teacher! As a teacher I want them to be excited but dont want the reputation as the teacher who makes his students work on all his “junk” but they are begging me to work on this stuff! Ill link the wheels we worked on together!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=783208 |
If they're begging to work on it, don't turn them away, but rather get them involved some more. Offer it to them, ask them if they just want to do more. My son took some automotive classes thru the college, where they have classes for 3 months, then work at the dealership for 3 months. They rotate that thru for 2 years, while getting their certifications, and a full time job at the dealership. Rob has found that some of the classes left a lot to be desired when it came to working at the dealership (learned more doing the actual work). Your students might be running into this as well. Remember, not all students learn the same way. Some are gifted with their hands while others are with their minds.
He was doing rust repair work on his own stuff just putzing around out in my garage, and I think that motivated him to look into doing something (a skill) that he could take and go anywhere with. So far he's totally rebuilt the 6 speed trans in his 07 Honda Civic Si, learned how to do a timing chain in it as well, along with rebuilding the front end suspension and brakes. He's also been learning about rebuilding the AT in his 2010 Jetta, and rebuilding the front end on it too, and was working on their 08 Honda Pilot, until they replaced it with an AWD 2015 Equinox. He's got most of the bugs worked out of it now, and his wife drives it daily to work, and they take it on vacations too.
Trying to get kids motivated today is the hard part, so you have to encourage them. Far too many are more interested in video games, than working with their hands. Your Fastback project is a great example and a good teaching source, as you bought it cheap, fixed the rust, and body worked it. Soon it'll be back on the road for probably 2 new car payments, and your students can see that. That kind of thing could motivate them to look into older cars that they could afford. Maybe do up a spread sheet for your class to show how much money you've put into it.Most of us here do the same thing, although we don't want to track the dollars we've spent, because that'll scare us.  I know I've spent way too much on a few projects, and my wife's daily driver just got about 1200+ tossed into it over the last 3 weeks. And that was with me doing the work. And also in the usual fashion some things just snowball into snowmen, as other things get fixed along the way. Living in the "rust belt" keeps things interesting, and keeps body repair shops busy.
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TheGrafs
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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| Your Fastback project is a great example and a good teaching source, as you bought it cheap, fixed the rust, and body worked it. Soon it'll be back on the road for probably 2 new car payments, and your students can see that. That kind of thing could motivate them to look into older cars that they could afford. Maybe do up a spread sheet for your class to show how much money you've put into it.Most of us here do the same thing, although we don't want to track the dollars we've spent, because that'll scare us. I know I've spent way too much on a few projects, and my wife's daily driver just got about 1200+ tossed into it over the last 3 weeks. And that was with me doing the work. And also in the usual fashion some things just snowball into snowmen, as other things get fixed along the way. Living in the "rust belt" keeps things interesting, and keeps body repair shops busy. |
Bob I really appreciate all that! I happen to have a spreadsheet of my dollar amount into the car and even track every hour I and others have spent working on it. Makes for a good lesson! Great words, Bob!
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| Posted: Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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Back from being down south a few months and wasted no time getting back at it! Washed, disassembled and buzzed down the outside of the new decklid. Way nicer than the one that I started with.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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Got some work in on the new fastback decklid. Also had to do some putty work on the hood.
Let a student of mine get some more spraying practice and we used some leftover Cromax Le3004 Primer surfacer after some epoxy left behind by another student was used.
He did an excellent job with his form and technique, however, the leftover primer surfacer came to bite us in the end with some lifting.
One thing my students do is document the whole process of the projects we work on. This includes the mistakes made and trouble we face. No need to worry, we were able to correct it.
My hopes was after a week or so the primer was dry enough to block so I tried an inline sander with 180.... nope not dry.
The primer was still so gummy that i was scraping it off the 40 grit paper to reuse the paper!  
Then since that took longer than it should, I used urethane reducer and shop towels like a paint stripper and scraped it all off. 
Afterwords, nooks and crannies were sand blasted in the cabinet, and the bare metal was sanded with 80 grit to prep for body work, again!
This time, rather than try again with any leftover products, PPG shopline epoxy jp335 and jp202 primer surfacer was used and made both panels looks WAYYYY better than before. Also fixed a small ding on a fender while the primer was in the gun. Problem solved!
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| Posted: Sat Oct 14, 2023 5:24 pm Post subject: Re: 1966 Fastback Build thread - TheGrafs |
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Looks like someone forgot the catalyst! 
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