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ghia1969
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 Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 2:22 pm Post subject: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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| Started to prepare to install my rear window. I have the American type rubber to fit a 'C" molding on my 59 ghia. I am having trouble trying to figure out how to get the seal on around the window and have it stay in place so I can get it in place. Never attempted this before. I'm assuming the window glass fits into the shallowest/widest groove in the rubber, but it doesn't stay in place when pushing it on. I get a few inches in the slot and it just falls out. Any advice or pictueres? |
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:34 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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It'll be a PITA but, start by installing the seal onto the corners of the glass, then work the seal down onto the flats, install the trim, then get a Bic pen, remove the ends, slip it over the cord that you intend to use feed the end with about 6"-8" of cord hanging out of the end into the sealing grove in the center of the lower edge of the windshield & zip the pen case around the grove to insert the cordage.
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c21darrel
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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Have you ever installed a window using rope or wire?? or are you just trying to press the window in?
Pics?
I really dont unserstand the "American" type seal. It confuses the matter.
There are
"Cal look" seals (no trim)
Blocked corner seals, used to be called "german" (for C and T style trim)
"American"?? what does that mean? its a German car. Why are there American seals for a German car?? are these less than blocked german seals? Seinfield rant over. 
Common order.
For "T" style, Rubber on glass, trim in rubber, all into the opening.
For "C" style, Rubber on glass, into the opening, trim into seal. |
"American style" usually means that there was chrome trim in the gasket. The Euro cars typically had what we consider "Cal Look" gaskets.
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c21darrel
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ghia1969
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:51 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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| Thanks everyone for your insights....I think the masking tape approach will be the best strategy to get me started to get the rubber onto the glass. Once I get it all the way around, I'll use the cord/wire in the inner groove and get this PITA project started....I'm sure the 'C' molding installation will be an additional challenge. |
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c21darrel
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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I’ve always done them by myself, as s cheat, an unopened bag of play sand works great to keep pressure on the glass while pulling the cord & then go back outside & smack the window to seat it.
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xzener
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| Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:13 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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Where can I get a three or a four hand job? 
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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| c21darrel wrote: |
Have you ever installed a window using rope or wire?? or are you just trying to press the window in?
Pics?
I really dont unserstand the "American" type seal. It confuses the matter.
There are
"Cal look" seals (no trim)
Blocked corner seals, used to be called "german" (for C and T style trim)
"American"?? what does that mean? its a German car. Why are there American seals for a German car?? are these less than blocked german seals? Seinfield rant over.
Common order.
For "T" style, Rubber on glass, trim in rubber, all into the opening.
For "C" style, Rubber on glass, into the opening, trim into seal. |
If my memory is correct I believe KGPR sell a blocked style seal that is made in America with the German specs. Its a Germarican seal. |
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hazmatty3614
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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I just did this with the T shape molding. It required 2 of us, and masking taping it to the glass every 4-6 inches or it would pop right off. Try taping it to both sides of the glass as you go.
Once it was in, I lifted the seal with a small flat bar and cut the tape back with a razor. |
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c21darrel
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TDCTDI
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 11:51 am Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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| c21darrel wrote: |
| xzener wrote: |
| Where can I get a three or a four hand job? |
Ask Chris, he says he does them himself. |
And to think, I edited my post, initially I claimed to do it single handedly.
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2018 12:27 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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The last few comments bring a whole new twist to the title of this thread.
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VeloMikey
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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I'm about to pull the front and rear glass with chrome trim out of one 58 and put it into another 58 with new rubber. Do I need to pull the chrome trim out first and remove the window? When reinstalling, do I put the glass back in and then press the chrome into the rubber or put the rubber on the glass install the chrome and then put it in the car? I have done a million "Cal Look" windows but never a "stock" with chrome window.
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PolarBearVW
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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There are several threads on installing with the "C" mounted first.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=288923&highlight=window++trim
However I chime in to emphasize "be careful" with the glass removal (pushing)! There seems to be a global shortage of these windshields right now as I've been looking for 6 months. Of course you already know how to be careful having done a million in the past...but I just wanted to note this.
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 1:52 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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Cut the lip on the gasket that holds it into the opening from the inside & gently work the window out. Start with the back window so that you can get a feel for how to remove the glass because it's tempered glass & isn't prone to cracking like the laminated windshield is.
DO NOT try pushing the windshield out all at once, the seal will still hold it in place & if you just start by trying to push one part of it, it will give suddenly while other parts will still hold firm & cause you to break it.
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| Posted: Thu May 24, 2018 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Rear Window Rubber Install |
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| I've only installed glass in a bug, but have removed a few windshields. I would think removing an older window you should cut the seal, you'll almost certainly break the glass if you don't. |
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You need to apply pressure from the outside as you pull the rip cord.
