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Wilson
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 Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:39 pm Post subject: Wiring Nightmare - Need Guru! |
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Hi all,
I’ve got a 1969 SB (named Dolly) that’s been in the family since new. A lot of wiring has been screwed up over the last 30 years and so I’ve been going through it all best I can, using the proper wiring diagrams.
Currently fuses 1-7 are not getting power either with egn.switch on or off.
Here’s where I need some clarification as I’m not 100% knowledgeable on wiring diagrams.
-Am I correct that fuse 1+2 receive their power from #58 on the Light Switch?
-Am I correct that fuse #3+4 receive their power from #56a on the Dimmer Relay?
-Am I correct that fuse #5+6 receive their power from “F” on the Dimmer Relay?
-Does the Dimmer Relay receive its power from the Brown with white spot cable coming from the steering assembly?
-What’s the grey wire from the Steering Assembly going to #7 on the fuse panels purpose?
I know that’s a lot but I’ve read through many posts and webpages and am still confused.it doesn’t help that my Steering Assembly wiring is aftermarket and the colors don’t all match.
Appreciate any help!
Thx,
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Wilson
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring Nightmare - Need Guru! |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 11:38 am Post subject: Re: Wiring Nightmare - Need Guru! |
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| Wilson wrote: |
Hi all,
I’ve got a 1969 SB (named Dolly) that’s been in the family since new. A lot of wiring has been screwed up over the last 30 years and so I’ve been going through it all best I can, using the proper wiring diagrams.
Currently fuses 1-7 are not getting power either with egn.switch on or off.
Here’s where I need some clarification as I’m not 100% knowledgeable on wiring diagrams.
-Am I correct that fuse 1+2 receive their power from #58 on the Light Switch?
-Am I correct that fuse #3+4 receive their power from #56a on the Dimmer Relay?
-Am I correct that fuse #5+6 receive their power from “F” on the Dimmer Relay?
-Does the Dimmer Relay receive its power from the Brown with white spot cable coming from the steering assembly?
-What’s the grey wire from the Steering Assembly going to #7 on the fuse panels purpose?
I know that’s a lot but I’ve read through many posts and webpages and am still confused.it doesn’t help that my Steering Assembly wiring is aftermarket and the colors don’t all match.
Appreciate any help!
Thx,
W |
The first thing to keep in mind is that stock BLACK wires are NOT ground wires, they're switched power wires (hot when the key IS on). Dark BROWN wires ARE ground. It's a German thing. Red wires are hot (power) ALL the time (as long as the battery is connected).
Yes, fuses 1&2 (from the left) those get battery power from the head light switch (not sure which terminals on the switch. #1 I think is the left side lights, while #2 is for the right side lights. #1 also powers the front parking lights.
Fuses 5 & 6 are for the high beams. Fuses 3& 4 are the low beams.
No the brown wire w/the white stripe is for the hi-lo relay switch (turn signal arm, - pull back to make ground or make the relay click). That changes the head lights from lo beam to hi beam.
I'm not sure (don't have a wiring diagram in front of me) but I think the gray wire on fuse #7 is for the key buzzer warning (key left in the ignition switch, and the drivers door is open).
If the wiring is stock, it should match the brown type 3 service manual. VW didn't change the colors of the wires. Now, if someone installed an aftermarket wiring harness, then all bets are off.
My best suggestion would be to get a cheap Harbor Freight VOM, and a roll of wire 25 ft long and some alligator clips (while you're there), and use that for verifying the wires and their connections. I say 25 feet of wire, so you can go all the way to the right rear tail light (longest run on the car). Don't cry about buying it, as you can use that roll for other testing too, plus it's handy to have around. I personally have a couple of rolls out in the garage, some for testing, and some for splicing. I have 3 type 3s sitting here, along with two Japanese cars that I have to keep running, so I never know when I'm going to need some wire for testing or fixing something. I hope this helps.
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Wilson
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| Posted: Thu May 01, 2025 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring Nightmare - Need Guru! |
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Thanks Bob, helpful advice! I have gone through all the wires, with a meter, and checked them. All that is left is to pull out the headlight and washer switches to double check those as I can’t see all the wires from just looking from under the dash.
Perhaps one of those switches have gone bad?
As well as no power on the left side of the fuse panel I don’t have turn signals, either on the dash or the indicator bulbs (which makes sense) but I’ve had them in the recent past.
Thx again!
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 11:26 am Post subject: Re: Wiring Nightmare - Need Guru! |
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| Wilson wrote: |
Thanks Bob, helpful advice! I have gone through all the wires, with a meter, and checked them. All that is left is to pull out the headlight and washer switches to double check those as I can’t see all the wires from just looking from under the dash.
Perhaps one of those switches have gone bad?
As well as no power on the left side of the fuse panel I don’t have turn signals, either on the dash or the indicator bulbs (which makes sense) but I’ve had them in the recent past.
Thx again!
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Be careful with those switches, as they age they like to come apart. A zip tie can hold them together IF you have all the parts. Clean them up inside with some electronics cleaner and cycle the switches. Most times that brings them back to life. On the 4 way switch, remove the knob and light assembly and spray inside to clean it. Then cycle it (turn it on and off). That's the problem with these cars as they sit around not being used, things that need to be used aren't, and they just stop working. If cleaning the 4 way switch doesn't bring the turn signals back, then you have a dead relay. That's a common failure of the 9 pin relay unit. The wiper switch is a simple switch, and usually the motor is the culprit. The grease on the ends of the motor shaft dry out, as does the wiper arm shafts. I don't know how many that I've taken apart and cleaned and greased just to get the wipers to work again. Those little black (before sun fading) caps do keep the water out of them, and keep the shafts from seizing in the bushings. I hope this helps.
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71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Wilson
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| Posted: Fri May 02, 2025 2:23 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring Nightmare - Need Guru! |
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Thx Bob. This morning I took apart the Emergency Flasher Switch and it was pretty corroded. Ordered a new one.
I’m also not getting g voltage from the Dimmer Relay so that’s next!
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Wilson
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2025 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Wiring Nightmare - Need Guru! |
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There's nothing worse on this site than finding someone with the same issue as you then never hearing the final outcome!
Turns out that I had a bad (rusty inside) turn signal unit.
Cheers,
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Wilson
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| Posted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 5:28 pm Post subject: Re: Wiring Nightmare - Need Guru! |
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