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mooopers
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 Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:48 am Post subject: My 1960 Patina Ghia Build |
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Everyone loves a build thread right? Well for me they are my favourite threads so I think its time I added to it. Currently the body is mostly finished, but I do need to finish some battery tray welding, undercoat, seam seal and more. For now I will start before anything was done.
The car was first purchased from K&L Motors in Bozeman, Montana but was imported from Prosser in Washington a few years back. The guy who imported it said it had a ridiculous amount of sand in it (i'm still finding it). It's been off the road since 1981 at my best estimate.
In addition i'm not doing a ground up resto on the car. This is a preservation/patina deal if that’s not your thing sorry….. Reason is the car was very, very complete and I just couldn’t strip all the originality from it. Plus I prefer cars unrestored if possible, no matter how bad it seems (there is a line though right?). I do like a restoration too 
When I got it
The rockers had rust holes all along both sides. Very old rust it seemed like it had been stopped before going awful for some reason.
more of this stuff behind both fronts and rear wheels.
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 6:58 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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I too enjoy a good build thread 
That's an interesting bumper guard.
Is the car in the UK? |
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mooopers
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:12 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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Yes in the UK. I have no idea what the over riders are about. Was thinking that an American can fill me in on what they are. Better photo of them
I have removed them..... 
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kingkarmann
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:32 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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I've never seen anything like them
Our big rigs (lorries) have grill guards to prevent damage from wandering wildlife. Some sort of brush guard?  |
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mooopers
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:13 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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Full set. They are very heavy well made too. Not really a ghia thing at all, more an off road thing I suppose.
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mooopers
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:51 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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Yes it’s Paprika with white roof. It’s been painted over once in a metallic blue then Paprika (or close too) again. Then it had a horrible vinyl roof put on it. I’m trying to get that off currently it’s a nightmare. 
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Marcdeb
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| Posted: Thu Jul 01, 2021 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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Great to have another build thread to watch. I like original cars with some battle scars. Seems like I'm reading about the 1960 Ghias quite often lately. Must be a popular year.
To me, those bumper guards look home made? You think? Interesting but I don't think they add much to the beautiful curves on the ghia. Good luck with the work.
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71 Karmann Ghia Cabrio
Previously Owned:
2011 VW EOS Hard Top Conv
2008 Saab 9-3 2.0T Conv
2003 Saab 9-3 SE Conv
2001 Saab 9-3 Conv
1998 BMW 3 Series Conv
1997 Saab 900 Conv
1997 Mazda Miata
68 Ghia Vert Survivor with 22,350 miles: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=768107&highlight=
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mooopers
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:02 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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| Yes it’s Paprika with white roof. It’s been painted over once in a metallic blue then Paprika (or close too) again. Then it had a horrible vinyl roof put on it. I’m trying to get that off currently it’s a nightmare. |
Oh damn!! i thought those vinyl roofs were an old person New Jersey thing here in the states. That is the only place i ever saw vinyl roofs on bugs and ghias!
I dig your ride and will follow your build!
This guys build on Instagram was great!
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2454033 |
Yes I've seen that build on Instagram. Like I said I do like any kind of build thread or blog no matter the car. I've learnt a lot from them.
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mooopers
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:05 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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| Marcdeb wrote: |
Great to have another build thread to watch. I like original cars with some battle scars. Seems like I'm reading about the 1960 Ghias quite often lately. Must be a popular year.
To me, those bumper guards look home made? You think? Interesting but I don't think they add much to the beautiful curves on the ghia. Good luck with the work. |
I do like the early 60s Ghia's. But all years are great to me. They are no way home made and no not really in keeping with a curvy car.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:47 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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So on with the body work. I had to do the usual and cut out and investigate the rust. Thankfully there was no "surprise rust". The rockers had as mention before, very old rust all along them. Of course I did think the worse and had to assume that the heater channels would have issues.
In the past someone had cut or forced open the top of the rocker under the sill covers on the left hand side. They then siliconed it over and covered it up again. I assume they were doing their own search for rust in the heater channel. It was a mess so the whole thing had to come off.
Also the front wing behind the wheel as pictured in the top post. This was by far the worst of it you can see the before and after the cutting, grinding and cleanup. Thankfully it didn’t climb up too high.
Started repairing the area the best I could.
Not finished, not pretty but it was getting there. I kept on trying to get this better. I did modify the bottom slightly so I can have access in the future into the rockers.
A recent photo with better finishing. Almost done just some seam sealant to go in the join.
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mooopers
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2021 5:11 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Journey |
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The sills were full of sand and it went everywhere but the metal was great still had the green on it. With a bit of surface rust just more cleaning up needed.
Treated all the areas extensively with Dinitrol rust converter and the cavity wax in the obvious bits.
Then welding on the new panels then treating inside the heater channel with Dinitrol through the vents.
All in all it could have been worse. Just the rear part of the rocker over the inspection hole to go on.
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mooopers
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| Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 3:57 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Build |
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A 60 project.. I am in!
You already great started, looking forward to the rest!
Cheers
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Your build is coming along great, I enjoy your updates.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2021 4:18 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Build |
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Putting on the final piece of the driver side rocker.
Doing some more investigation and finding nests and more sand. The sand really is hard and kind of impacted onto the metal it takes a lot to get it off.
Moving on to the rear fenders behind the wheels. It is as expected but I do know this is the better than the other side.
Cutting it all out thankfully the rear most bumper hole was solid. The same for the bumper mounts
Shaping the late repair panels to an early shape was tricky. I cut the panel leaving two third of it left. The part that's closer to the back of the car almost fits perfect with a bit of hammering and bending.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 9:29 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Build |
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Moving on to the right side.
More of the same story as the other side. Hard to pick what side was worse but if I had to I think overall the right was worse. Not by lots though.
Same as before the inner heater channel was solid with just surface rust on it.
You can see all the dirt/sand that was inside the rocker on the floor.
This as expected was a mess.
Rott cut out and metal treated a bit.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2021 11:57 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Build |
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Keep posting updates, I’ve got the same work to do on my 62. I wish some one made the correct panels for the lower rear fender for early cars.
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1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
1963 Notchback
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mooopers
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 5:01 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Build |
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I really don't understand why there are not repair panels for early years. However I found that the repair panel available is ok with a bit of work.
You can see here below at an early stage.
On the right side I had to do extensive repairs to the inner panels too.
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2021 8:03 am Post subject: Re: My 1960 Patina Ghia Build |
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Do you have more pictures showing the alterations to the panel? This is very helpful information. Thanks.
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1960 Baja Bug
1963 stretched double cab
1962 Golde sunroof Ghia
1963 356 B coupe
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