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jakokombi Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 787 Location: Milwaukee
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 5:53 pm Post subject: How much coolant will I lose? |
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I'm in the process of installing the MansiSpeed EFI system on my 85 1.9 (GW 2.2).
I removed the crank pulley, shield and necessary other things but, as I moved the alternator, I must have created a leak in the coolant system.
The leak is at the crossover pipe to the right side head and leaked a couple ounces overnight. The engine hadn't run in weeks and this was sort of sudden.
I tightened the cap screws at the flange and didn't get much at all.
Anyway, I want to replace that gasket and maybe the O-ring at the waterpump.
How much coolant should I expect to loose or how much should I suck out before I pull the pipe? _________________ 70 Sunroof Kombi
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 8813 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2023 11:27 pm Post subject: Re: How much coolant will I lose? |
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I couldn’t say what the science is, but it’s accepted to not resuse coolant.
I think a minimum of a gallon of pre-mixed coolant should be on hand at all times. You might buy a gallon of coolant and a gallon of distilled water, mix both at 50/50, and be ready to clean up whatever’s lost in the process.
I’d also do this job when full-cold and with any positive or negative cooling system pressure relieved so any leaking is minimized. _________________ If ever twice as rich, we’re gettin’ a double-wide
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 5:03 am Post subject: Re: How much coolant will I lose? |
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d/dt F(coolant, clean container ) = 0 + neglible terms
This is the mathematical proof of removing coolant with good practice is ok to first approximation. _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
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jakokombi Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 6:11 am Post subject: Re: How much coolant will I lose? |
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I'm certainly not apposed to replacing with fresh but, my shop floor is pretty level and I don't want it all over.
I'm not at all familiar with this complicated coolant system so, I guess I'll suck out about a gallon and see if it leaks.
Then I'll reread that Libby Bong thread. _________________ 70 Sunroof Kombi
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E1 Samba Member
Joined: January 21, 2013 Posts: 8813 Location: Westfalia, Earth
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 8:14 am Post subject: Re: How much coolant will I lose? |
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It's all a Black Hole until seeing the light, pretty much like life, and seems complicated — then isn’t with a little time. It’s really about getting the air out.
Born Milwaukee, raised in Oconomowoc before heading west, so hope you still have your closetful of Bears attire. The dark jersey barely shows coolant when properly worn as a shop apron.  _________________ If ever twice as rich, we’re gettin’ a double-wide
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 2:49 pm Post subject: Re: How much coolant will I lose? |
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I've seen the flanges get a bit warped over time. Check the pipe flange once you've got it removed from the engine. I've filed them flat again to get rid of stubborn super slow leak from those flanges. even on a newer Stainless Steel version of the upper or lower pipe.
New Yellow O-ring at the water pump end of the pipe, and fresh gasket for the block side. Then you should be fine. _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
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bobbyblack  Samba Member

Joined: May 21, 2015 Posts: 4710 Location: United States, Iowa
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Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2023 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: How much coolant will I lose? |
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I’d also do this job when full-cold and with any positive or negative cooling system pressure relieved so any leaking is minimized. |
I totally agree on this. But, in my scenario where I have upgraded my pressure tank to an aluminum unit with a "modern" pressure cap, well.... even when in the mid 30's F and engine that cold, I still have pressure -- coolant blows out the cap when I open it. Not a lot, but there is a definite amount lost, guaranteed. I do not know if that is a design 'enhancement' or a flaw of how I have mine set up, but I just wanted to make mention in case it sparked thoughts. There is absolutely NO air in my system. Like... ever. Perhaps one more drawback to some genius's inventions.. _________________ '87 Westy 'Flossie','86 Westy 'R1','86 tintop GL - Subi2.2 'J2','83.5 stock tintop L 'ZoomBus','74 Karmann Ghia, '63 Notch |
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Joined: September 30, 2007 Posts: 32987 Location: Reading Pennsylvania
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jakokombi Samba Member
Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 787 Location: Milwaukee
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Posted: Thu Dec 14, 2023 8:13 am Post subject: Re: How much coolant will I lose? |
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Dave, little chance I'll work fast. Maybe I'll suck out all that I can and replace with new, I want to inspect this pipe thoroughly.
All other pipes and hoses have been replaced, I suspect this one was too.
E1, no Bears paraphernalia, but there might be a Packers hat around somewhere.
Thanks guys! _________________ 70 Sunroof Kombi
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