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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:06 pm    Post subject: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

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So im looking to find out wich post is ground on the head light switch. I would like to know all of them, but ground is most importiant.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 6:53 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts Reply with quote

30 is usually the power coming in. 85 or 86 is typically grounded. Not sure on the headlight switch.

Is there a terminal 31 on your switch?

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I'm really no help.

What year is your van? You could look up the wiring diagram.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts Reply with quote

PDXWesty wrote:
30 is usually the power coming in. 85 or 86 is typically grounded. Not sure on the headlight switch.

Is there a terminal 31 on your switch?

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=440649&postorder=desc

I'm really no help.

What year is your van? You could look up the wiring diagram.


I don't have it in-front of me, yet I think there is a 31 on a terminal. The switch came out of 1987 van, yet my build does not have the harness, so im hard wiring into home made harness.

Bentley doesn't help because it identifies wire colors and not terminals from what i can see.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 1:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

If I am reading Bentley correctly there is no ground wire coming from the headlight switch. Power goes to the switch at terminal 30 and goes out to the different lights and is grounded at the lights.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

clamay wrote:
If I am reading Bentley correctly there is no ground wire coming from the headlight switch. Power goes to the switch at terminal 30 and goes out to the different lights and is grounded at the lights.


I was wondering if that's a possibility. I've been looking like crazy and nothing is coming up.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

Thanks for the reply's. I did find a work around so the ground is not used. Little later I will post about it. Thanks again for the help.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

0cean wrote:
clamay wrote:
If I am reading Bentley correctly there is no ground wire coming from the headlight switch. Power goes to the switch at terminal 30 and goes out to the different lights and is grounded at the lights.

I was wondering if that's a possibility. I've been looking like crazy and nothing is coming up.

That's normally how headlight switches work. And most other switches, too. A single-pole light switch in your house walls works like that, too!

The only reason there would be a ground there is if the switch itself was lighted. I don't recall the headlight switch in our 1982 being lighted.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

Jan Steinman wrote:

That's normally how headlight switches work. And most other switches, too. A single-pole light switch in your house walls works like that, too!

The only reason there would be a ground there is if the switch itself was lighted. I don't recall the headlight switch in our 1982 being lighted.


The picture of the switch the OP posted has a hole for a for a light, so I assume it has a backlight in that model.

The vendors all show two types of switches depending on year.
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 6:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

PDXWesty wrote:
Jan Steinman wrote:
The only reason there would be a ground there is if the switch itself was lighted.

The picture of the switch the OP posted has a hole for a for a light, so I assume it has a backlight in that model.

Assuming that the lamp/socket assembly attaches to that hole, then there still wouldn't be a ground on the switch itself; the ground would be on the lamp-socket assembly, no?
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 7:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

While there is a provision for a bulb they weren't illuminated.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 28, 2022 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

Hope I'm not outta line here, but not sure why syncrodoka didn't reference his mod for illuminated headlight switch;
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=409627
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 12:21 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

Hi great post and thanks for taking time to take photos and notate all of it.
Also in case anyone here needs the late model switch ending with letter T and not able to find it, there is an informative video by the guy at Vanagain showing how some of the parts can be exchanged with a switch with the M letter in the part number:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPH_DcYSRl4

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 24, 2024 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: Vanagon headlight switch posts/terminals Reply with quote

If you can add a light to indicate it being on, then do it, a bright led is good. It should be bright so as to be seen readily even in bright direct sunlight.

This Van headlight design, a rocker switch is HORRIBLE in design and location, and color as it is not readily apparent if the switch is on or not. Contrast this to the push pull switch on the old VW Bugs, you know it is on or off easily.

This confusing switch can be improved with bright paint or a sticker, bright orange, or yellow is very good. (I found dark red does not contrast with dash well as orange or yellow) You want a bright color that contrasts greatly with the dash. I prefer a fluorescent orange sticker. Cut the sticker or paint such that the colored edge of the switch rocker is only visible when switch in ON. and hidden when switch is OFF. This should be on the edge that is on the right side of the rocker. The area of the sticker is roughly about 5/8" high, 3/16" wide, but cut to fit so it is hidden when the switch is off.

This coloring of the edge of the rocker has been a great help for me in not accidently leaving the lights on when parked, and without the annoyance of a headlight ON alarm buzzer.
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