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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7494 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 7:02 pm Post subject: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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I have been using a CB 1914 billet alternator pulley on my bus motor for the last 17,000 miles. Over that time I’ve noticed that the face of the alternator has been turning black. I recently put a new smaller belt on, which I feel better matches the 6 3/4" Equalizer crank pulley I’m using. Anyway, when I pulled the alt pulley off I noticed there were deep groves on both sides and some gouges on the inside surface.
What do you think caused this to happen?
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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Sep 07, 2024 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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it's aluminum
not going to last forever.
I'm amazed that it hasn't worn through the anodizing entirely by now! |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14726 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 3:53 am Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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More useless show car bling! Put the stock steel pulley back on if you are going to actually drive the car. _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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borninabus  Samba R&D Dept.

Joined: May 18, 2006 Posts: 4718 Location: Arizona Highways
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Posted: Sun Sep 08, 2024 3:24 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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hard to tell from the pics, but to me it looks like the \/ of the pulley doesn't match the \/ of the belt. i would try running the new, improved belt and see if the wear pattern improves or declines. _________________ 88 Van WBX, A/T - 13 JSW TDI 6M/T - 2012 Touareg TDI Sport |
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7494 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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I installed a new belt and pulley. CB was out of the stock steel pulleys, so I bought another Billet one. I did not want to make the trip down to Flagstaff for the Jamboree next week with the grooved pulley. I’m on the email list to be notified when the steel pulleys are back in stock and I will order one then. _________________ __________
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borninabus  Samba R&D Dept.

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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 11:24 am Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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the only thing i see out there for steel pulleys right now is JP Dansk.
so yeah, i'd use the aluminum one too. or a nice OG from the classifieds.
i'll say hi if i see you  _________________ 88 Van WBX, A/T - 13 JSW TDI 6M/T - 2012 Touareg TDI Sport |
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RickS Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 12:35 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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richparker wrote: |
I installed a new belt and pulley. CB was out of the stock steel pulleys, so I bought another Billet one. I did not want to make the trip down to Flagstaff for the Jamboree next week with the grooved pulley. I’m on the email list to be notified when the steel pulleys are back in stock and I will order one then. |
Have you looked for a good, used OE pulley in the classifieds? Probably better quality than one made in china. |
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chrisflstf Samba Member

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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 5:17 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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Cb is not out of alternator pulleys.
This unit mimics the look of a generator pulley |
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7494 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:37 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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RickS wrote: |
Have you looked for a good, used OE pulley in the classifieds? Probably better quality than one made in china. |
I have 2 good OE pulleys. The issue I have with them is their appearance. I paint them and a few thousand miles later they look like shit and need to be painted again. I guess one could say that’s better than buying a new pulley after 17,000 miles. 🤷♂️
modok wrote: |
Cb is not out of alternator pulleys. |
They are out of this pulley. They have the finned pulleys and the Billet pulleys in stock.
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/2164.htm _________________ __________
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RickS Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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richparker wrote: |
RickS wrote: |
Have you looked for a good, used OE pulley in the classifieds? Probably better quality than one made in china. |
I have 2 good OE pulleys. The issue I have with them is their appearance. I paint them and a few thousand miles later they look like shit and need to be painted again. I guess one could say that’s better than buying a new pulley after 17,000 miles. 🤷♂️
modok wrote: |
Cb is not out of alternator pulleys. |
They are out of this pulley. They have the finned pulleys and the Billet pulleys in stock.
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/2164.htm |
Powder coat one. |
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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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The alternators use the pulley with the fan blades on it
or, am I mistaken? |
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74 Thing Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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Powder coat is the way to go but make sure to tape off the shaft hole.
If you want to spray one yourself use some Spraymax 2k gloss black paint and wear protection when you spray it. Of course prep it as you would normally.
Search for: SprayMax 2K DTM Topcoat 3680222 |
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richparker Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 09, 2024 9:20 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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modok wrote: |
The alternators use the pulley with the fan blades on it
or, am I mistaken? |
I guess I didn’t know that. After reading the description, I know now. I always thought the blades were a gimmick. _________________ __________
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onwardtothestars  Samba Member

Joined: April 04, 2007 Posts: 385 Location: Hazenville Pass Wyoming
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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 2:51 am Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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richparker wrote: |
modok wrote: |
The alternators use the pulley with the fan blades on it
or, am I mistaken? |
I guess I didn’t know that. After reading the description, I know now. I always thought the blades were a gimmick. |
https://www.cbperformance.com/product-p/040-903-109.htm
This is the one I run on my ghia since converting to an alternator. No issues in 7 years and lots of driving. _________________ Beetle, Ghia, Vanagon Syncro, and more |
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oprn Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 4:09 am Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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If I recall correctly the stock generator is cooled by the engine fan drawing air through it from the slots in it behind the stock pulley. There was some debate recently on a thread here as to whether or not a pulley with a fan enhances or detracts from that airflow.
I don't know as I have never found a need for upgrading my type 1 engines to an alternator. A generator in good nick supplies all the charging I have ever needed. _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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onwardtothestars  Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 8:09 am Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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oprn wrote: |
If I recall correctly the stock generator is cooled by the engine fan drawing air through it from the slots in it behind the stock pulley. There was some debate recently on a thread here as to whether or not a pulley with a fan enhances or detracts from that airflow.
I don't know as I have never found a need for upgrading my type 1 engines to an alternator. A generator in good nick supplies all the charging I have ever needed. |
I'm not sure thinking of the slot in the alt/gen backing plate if it draws air through or pushes air out to cool the alt/gen. I know a lot of people have changed to aluminum "Turbo" style backing plates without the cooling slot/duct. In this case the pulley fan I assume would draw air through the alt/gen thus cooling it.
I'm unaware of the real reasons later alternator equipped mexican brazilian vws had the pulley with the fan. Perhaps the backing did not have the slot/duct and it was needed?
As far a generator, on my first vws as a teen I changed to an alternator out of lack of knowledge on getting the charging system to work after it failed. Brighter headlights at lower RPMs was nice too. Now I do it out of habit and my love of decent headlights. _________________ Beetle, Ghia, Vanagon Syncro, and more |
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richparker Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 10, 2024 1:55 pm Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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oprn wrote: |
If I recall correctly the stock generator is cooled by the engine fan drawing air through it from the slots in it behind the stock pulley. There was some debate recently on a thread here as to whether or not a pulley with a fan enhances or detracts from that airflow. . |
Can you link the thread?
So far the new pulley isn’t showing any wear and the alternator face does not have any black on it. _________________ __________
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Simon DeCasas Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 11:41 am Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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Is the back half of the pulley on the shaft hole supposed to have a slight chamfer or completely flat? I had a rash of pulleys come loose with the chamfer then I found one that was flat no chamfer to but up against the bushing on the generator and it stop self-destructing usually in 5 to 6k in one case i had to find a new bushing for the generator because it mushroomed out where it met the pulley, this happened both on my Type 3 and Bug. |
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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Groves formed on my alternator pulley |
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Good point. A big chamfer would be no good. Those details matter. |
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