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earlesurfs
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 Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 1:58 am Post subject: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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In high school I had a book showing Ferry Porsche’s turbocharged convertible VW38 but I have never seen or been able to find any information regarding this vehicle.
Do people know where it ended up?’
Have any pictures?
Know the details or have info on the turbo engine?
Pictures?
For 30 years I’ve wondered what ever happened to this car, it would be nice to finally know. |
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peter schepens
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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No turbo... It was equiped with a Compressor.
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finster
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 7:25 am Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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the supercharged cabrio
assumed to be the same car pictured after the war with grooved chrome bumpers circa 1949
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 9:51 am Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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It also wasn't a VW38. It was several years later.
The Supercharger/Compressor was driven directly off the crankshaft and was located under the bump out on the apron.
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wagen19
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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| splitjunkie wrote: |
It also wasn't a VW38. It was several years later.
The Supercharger/Compressor was driven directly off the crankshaft and was located under the bump out on the apron. |
Yes, it was later, but at least one "Ferry vert" had no warm air outlets at window frame. So probably that car was a VW 38, I think. Or maybe more than only one vert with "blower" was around. |
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earlesurfs
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| Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2025 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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What I wouldn’t give to own that car!
Nobody knows where it ended up?
That would be one hell of a barn find. |
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DDub
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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| What brand of supercharger was used? |
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TornadoRed06
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 2:42 pm Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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| peter schepens wrote: |
| No turbo... It was equiped with a Compressor. |
Yes, supercharged and it was green. Pale green if memory is right.
Anyways, Ferry Porsche loved green cars and open cars! And with punch!!  |
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Two Glove Boxes
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Undis
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:33 pm Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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| Fishynos72 wrote: |
Funny Undis and myself were talking about this car recently.
I'm sure he'll chime in here, but the point of the conversation was he suggested there was possibly 3 supercharged cabriolets all within the Porsche family at the time. And often photos of the vehicles get mixed up |
Ferry Porsche's cabrios have been discussed at length under different headings in this forum. The list by Ulrich von Podoll has two cabrios listed under VW39, however chances are they were based on older bodies (VW38). It seems that early KdF Wagens (Wolfsburg built) were also converted into cabrios. Because these were experimental cars, the supercharged engines could have been fitted and removed at different times. The entire history of the supercharged convertibles is pretty murky at best.
Records state that there also was a Cabrio-limousine (sunroof car) with a supercharged engine belonging to Dr. Anton Piëch.
These are photos of one of the cabrios, likely based on a former VW38 body.
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wagen19
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| Posted: Mon Mar 31, 2025 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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Interesting name of color. "RUSSIAN GREEN" 842. Good for export to McCarthy Land that times.
"Glass Grun 842 has been confirmed at “Russian Green”, and there is only one other car that was ever painted this color from the factory….a prototype September 1955 356 Cabriolet that was owned by Mrs. Porsche!".
Who knows more about the cars that were found at Gmund after May 45?
OK, there are some pics till around 1949 or 50. But it seems none of that verts had a blower anymore. Also rear body looking "normal".
Was there ever a vert with Vogelsang-engine, or late 49 Porsche dual port heads? Late 1100 ccm 369 Gmund engine?
Supercharging:
Maybe the Porsche crew that times, in lack of success and because of technical problems, thought similar as W.O. Bentley 1929:
„to supercharge a Bentley engine was to pervert its design and corrupt its performance“.
While racing, more than one fastest lap only, at Le Mans was not achieved with that Bentley Blower-construction.
... until something was blown... |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 2:38 am Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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| DDub wrote: |
| What brand of supercharger was used? |
barber's book says it was a Roots type, just visible between the valance and the exhaust strut
to me ferry's car seems a lighter shade than the 'russian green' on the 356
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wagen19
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2025 4:48 am Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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to me ferry's car seems a lighter shade than the 'russian green' on the 356
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A very nice and rare green. Well matching and good for hunters & collectors (Can)
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| Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2025 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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| It would be cool to see pictures of the intake manifold and how the belts are connected to the crank pulley ... |
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finster
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 9:39 am Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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I assumed it was a direct drive off the crankshaft given its position...
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2025 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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The closest engine supercharger setup that I found was this 1953 porsche 356 pre A 1500cc supercharged... but looks like the vw supercharger sits lower... link below ...
https://cars.bonhams.com/auction/24452/lot/58/1953...56/#photos |
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splitjunkie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2025 1:46 pm Post subject: Re: Ferry Porsche Turbo VW38 Cabriolet |
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And it is offset to the left. The one on the cab was in the center. As Finster said, it would have been direct drive given it's location.
Edit: Actually I take that back about it being direct drive.
In this picture you can see what appears to be a small pulley attached to the crankshaft. That would put the blower further down into the hump. If it were directly attached, it appears that it wouldn't fit in the hump as it is pictured.
You can also see cuts where the apron meets the body, so they must have had the apron setup to be removable, which would make sense.
In this picture you can see that it sits lower than what would be the crank centerline. You can also see the mounting system for the blower. Pretty interesting stuff. Question is, is the blower round or oval shape?
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