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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

If cutting out a section of the metal I would recommend reinforcing it by welding on additional metal (like the angle that syncrodoka used) so that it is at least as strong as it was prior to removing the metal.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

While I like syncrodoka's mod, its only 6 bolts to take the swivel base off for the rare occasions when you need to pull the battery. Not bad at all and don't risk fubaring a 200 dollar part.

I'm more curious about syncodoka's mention of no longer having the factory seat rails. If you see this, did you attach the swivel directly to the pedestal and if so did you lose seat height.?My wife doesn't like the extra seat height although she really likes the swivel.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

It's too bad the adaptor doesnt just slide into the original seat rails and lock in place just like the seat does.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

No this is a really good idea. I also got rid of my swivel because of the extra height. If a fella reworked the upper part of the swivels and welded it directly to the seat base, the unused seat rails could be employed on the bottom part of the swivel.

A couple of caveats. 1. because the factory pedestal rails are below the outboard part of the wheel housing, it may take an inch to clear it anyway. I don't have one so can't examine the heights and do any engineering on it. 2. i messing with my seats to get a better recline action, I initially reworked the seat slide parts. I found the tolerance between them to be extremely tight. +- .35mm. If this is something you might do, i strongly advise you tack the rails together before removing them from the seat base to preserve the track width. 3. The recline mechanism attaches to the seat rails and so if you do this, you will need to cut them off where the attachment for the torsion rod and pivot holes are located and generate something so they can then go on the swivel upper part which will now be part of the seat base.

Not impossible, but shouldn't be any hill for a climber. The question is, can you save the inch height problem?

This solves both the storage loss and and battery access.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

mikemtnbike wrote:
While I like syncrodoka's mod, its only 6 bolts to take the swivel base off for the rare occasions when you need to pull the battery. Not bad at all and don't risk fubaring a 200 dollar part.

Removing battery cables prior to working on an electrical system or anything that you are concerned about shorting means removing the entire swivel assembly, in an emergency if you need to disconect the battery it would be the same.
Battery removal is rare but jumpstarting someone or having them jumpstart you becomes a disassembly dance with different sized allens needed rather than flop open the lid and just get it done.
The factory weld in version didn't fit my needs either so i sold off the ones i had gotten ahold of and modified this to do what i want. Wink

I know nothing about storage loss, that has remained unchanged. There is a company that sells slide out drawers for under the seat area if one really wanted more storage access.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

An old thread found under FAQ index.

Found this: https://www.vxb.com/1000-lbs-Capacity-12-Lazy-Susan-5-16-Thick-p/kit8999.htm

I wonder if anyone has ever used on of these. Love the thinness and weight.capacity so seems like it might be safe in a crash. It appears to be sealed so the two halves won't separate which is good. All it would need is the spring stop to hold the seat in a given position which should be no hill for a climber.

Not a fan of swivel seats because of raised seat height and loss of storage underneath, but since i't so cheap, I might just get one and see. https://www.amazon.com/Capacity-Bearing-Turntable-...amp;sr=8-3

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 8:30 am    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

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Love the thinness and weight.capacity so seems like it might be safe in a crash.


Wonder if it will rattle when empty.

Seatbelts take the meat load to the pedestal (for a frontal collision).
The swivel could take a load if rear-ended, but that's not as bad as frontal.

Do you need 360 degrees and every degree in between?

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Look at this "piano swivel" method, and delete the continuous 360 swivel.
You can take the seat out and turn it 180° and put it back in prob a little easier than sliding it off the rails.

Not sure how you'd do that without the swivel-track-unit, you'd have to build some kind of structure to maintain the slider/adjustability.

Perhaps it could be done so it rotates a chosen angle, like 165° instead of 180°.
It doesn't have to be 'real strong' when installed in the 'camping' direction.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 08, 2022 9:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

Depress the spring rod, just like the high priced unit and put in notches wherever you want. There are really just five positions you need.
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5. Number 3 +180º
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These four positions are all done without a swivel, Just cross notches in the rails to receive the seat slides. Doesn't raise the seat up and keeps the under seat standard access except for position 2 where you just lift the platform, which tames the crud under it and is a platform for long lumber, boats 'n stuff.

On second thought, I'll skip the lazy susan as I already have more projects than I can handle.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

Here is the link to making a side piano hinge for the seat swivel base......

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 8:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

Saw that, but countless hours and the seat is still too high. It's a really nice mod, but not for me. He can only access that area by opening the PS door. As long as I don't have a passenger, I can access everything in that area while driving.
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Not trying to step on those who have and love the swivel, but I can do everything the swivel can do and no welding and especially no $221 plus S and H. Does it take a little longer, yes, but if you're at the site, what's an extra 2 minutes>

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 4:47 am    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

DuncanS wrote:
Saw that, but countless hours and the seat is still too high. It's a really nice mod, but not for me. He can only access that area by opening the PS door. As long as I don't have a passenger, I can access everything in that area while driving.
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Not trying to step on those who have and love the swivel, but I can do everything the swivel can do and no welding and especially no $221 plus S and H. Does it take a little longer, yes, but if you're at the site, what's an extra 2 minutes>

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I have man handled enough VW seats in my lifetime (Beetles, Square backs, Ghias, Bays and Vanagons) to know that I've no desire to fight with heavy seats and persnickety seat tracks whenever I want to rotate the seat!
Add to that I'm not using VW seats and things become just a little more complex.

Yes, the seat remove and reverse system works.... but is it convenient? .........No.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 7:56 am    Post subject: Re: Bolt-on Swivel Seat for Vanagons Reply with quote

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Yes, the seat remove and reverse system works.... but is it convenient? .........No.
Dave
As I said, not to step/rain on someone's parade, they are great for people who love them. I don't find messing with the seat difficult as it doesn't have to be lifted other than to turn it around.

Each to his own. That's why the T3 is such a great car--we can turn it into one that is personalized exactly the way the owner wants it.

I hope it works for you exactly the way you want it.

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