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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2025 8:05 am    Post subject: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Hi,

I recently purchased a 72 Type 3 and thought I'd start a thread on it here.

From what I know it's an abandoned father son project, and as such it's partially finished. Looks to be pretty rust free. It was an automatic and was converted to manual. Also converted to dual carb. Here are some photos from the add:


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I'm new to VW, but I'm not new to vintage cars. I have a TR6 that is at a 75% complete restoration.

My goal for this car is to get it back on the road in the next couple of months and use it as a daily driver. Once the TR is done I'll probably do a comprehensive restoration of this car.

Things I need to get done:
    Get brakes working.
    Get motor running.
    Replace all the rubber seals to prevent water from leaking in.
    Freshen up the interior.


I'm going to try and get in touch with the previous owner to see if he has any of the original F.I. bits, as they didn't come with the car. My long term goal is to convert it back to fuel injection.

I should add that I am located in Richmond BC Canada.

I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions along the way.


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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2025 8:07 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

First questions Smile

What type of wheels are these? How wide are they?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2025 12:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Type3Todd wrote:
First questions Smile

What type of wheels are these? How wide are they?


I can't think of the name of them right off hand, but CIP does sell new ones of them in chrome with black paint between the "spokes". As for size they're either 4.5 inches wide or 5.5 inches wide depending on what the PO bought.

Just a heads up, since you have a 72 you've got late type 3 calipers that are larger than the 66-71.5 version. Same applies with the rotors and pads (larger). They're basically 2 year only parts that are shared with early type 4 cars (411-412).
To be honest I'd keep the carbs, since those are stock type 3 carbs with the type 3 air cleaner and linkage. The 72 FI requires a special timing and FI set up, that for 72 only. You have to have the 72 only FI bits too (ECU, distributor, and other bits as required). Those carbs were originally used from 66 thru 67 in the USA, and thru 73 in Europe, along with other countries (some with jetting changes). Your engine looks mostly complete though. I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2025 4:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Early bumpers on the car. Keep the carbs you will be glad you did. check it over make it safe to drive.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 4:16 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

That's an awesome color! And I know exactly what type of wheels those are... they're cool wheels. Razz

As someone with a 72 that's still fuel injected, save yourself the trouble. I'm lucky my FI works, but I do have to adjust the fuel mixture with a potentiometer and a toothpick to get the thing to start.

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This is in place of the head temp sensor that this car seemed to incinerate. It's a great system when it works... which isn't often.

Can't wait to see this one running! Jealous of it's condition in terms of rust!
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

A pot and a toothpick. I Love it!

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2025 10:58 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Good looking car and hopefully a fun first VW project for you. Welcome to the club! Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 2:04 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Could those wheels be Marathons?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 3:30 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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I can't think of the name of them right off hand, but CIP does sell new ones of them in chrome with black paint between the "spokes". As for size they're either 4.5 inches wide or 5.5 inches wide depending on what the PO bought.

Yep. The rims are known as "Sprint Stars", made by the German MFR Lemmerz (there is no "t" in the name, and correctly pronounced as "LEMM ertz". The name "Sprint Stars" were probably given by Empi when they imported them in the early 1970's.
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They were offered in the silver-painted version, also chromed with the black inserts. Here's a set of the current repros in chrome, on a Squareback (markinsd gallery)-
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OP's are 4.5" but look "naked" without the black paint between the spokes. With a few hours of prep work, careful masking and satin black spray paint will get you that contrasting look.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2025 12:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Thanks all for the warm welcome.

First on the list is brakes. When I got the car the e-brake wasn't working, due to the cats foot thingy not in the right position so I took it apart and cleaned it up.

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The front calipers are looking a little worse for wear
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I was trying to spread the pistons to insert new pads but they seemed to be frozen. They were removed and by some miracle the business end of my grease gun was a good fit:
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The clamp is what I usually use to spread calipers, and it usually works, so I didn't want to damage them by using excessive force.

With a few pumps the pistons were freed:
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I have ordered a couple rebuild kits for later T3 calipers so they will get cleaned up when they get here:
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 9:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Been a very busy weekend, I was helping my daughter move from university campus to a new apartment.

I got the brake rebuild kits the other day and I'm going to work on them on weekday evenings this week.

I did a little bit of work on the car on Friday evening, removing the carpet to see what I'm working with for the floor pans. I've found a couple of rust holes, but they are in a weird spot. They are below the heater channels.

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The exterior on where the holes are is not rusty, so they must have fromed from the inside out. Any idea of how they would have formed? Maybe from water coming in from the window, and being retained in the carpet? Since this is not going to be a rebuild at this time, I'm going to clean uo the rust and weld in some patches.

Also there is a couple of rust spots in the frunk (or trunk?)

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I've read that this is a common area for rust holes.
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PostPosted: Mon May 05, 2025 10:47 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Yup, all of it looks like standard equipment type 3 rust. The hardest one to fix will be the front trunk rust. When you make up a patch panel for it, make it so it's removable, that way you can clean out the leaves and dirt that fall thru the vent slots and CAUSE the rust.
The floor rust under the heater channel should be easy to fix, as you can cut up a bug repair panel to fix it. Also ISP offers some small type 3 patch panels for the floor, but since you're in Canada, you might just use bug parts from CIP, as they'll be cheaper to buy and ship (won't need to go thru customs).
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 11:52 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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When you make up a patch panel for it, make it so it's removable, that way you can clean out the leaves and dirt that fall thru the vent slots and CAUSE the rust.
The floor rust under the heater channel should be easy to fix, as you can cut up a bug repair panel to fix it. Also ISP offers some small type 3 patch panels for the floor, but since you're in Canada, you might just use bug parts from CIP, as they'll be cheaper to buy and ship (won't need to go thru customs).


Thanks for the info. I'll take a look at the bug parts for sure. Are the bug pans about the same in the dimensions, at least as far as the part under the front seats is?
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Update on the brakes, I got the front calipers rebuilt and installed. I didn't bother to repaint the calipers as I want to avoid "scope creep" so for now not doing any work on the aesthetics.

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The rear brakes were refreshed by the previous owner so I'm not going to do anything with them:

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I'm going to put cotter pins for the nut on the rear, but since I'm here I'm going to check/adjust the bearing end play first.
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 12:13 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

On issue that has come up is that the accelerator pedal is rusted out at the bottom. When removing it the hinge part of the mount broke:

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I was thinking of cutting off the damaged part and using a weld on bracket from an earlier car part number 111701535A. Can I use the standard pedal 111721507F with it?

I know I can get a new pedal assembly but I's a lot cheaper (and yes I'm cheap) to just get the bracket and a new pedal.
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 1:01 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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The rear brakes were refreshed by the previous owner so I'm not going to do anything with them:

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I'm going to put cotter pins for the nut on the rear, but since I'm here I'm going to check/adjust the bearing end play first.


Before you do, make sure you torque up that nut to 253 ftlbs, then line up the hole (going tighter, never looser) to get the cotter pin in. I don't think you'll need to adjust the end play on them, as there's 2 sets of ball bearing rollers. The stub axle goes inside them. I'd definitely grease them though. From what I understand, if you grease them, they'll go another 100K miles.
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PostPosted: Thu May 15, 2025 4:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

Bobnotch wrote:

Before you do, make sure you torque up that nut to 253 ftlbs, then line up the hole (going tighter, never looser) to get the cotter pin in. I don't think you'll need to adjust the end play on them, as there's 2 sets of ball bearing rollers. The stub axle goes inside them. I'd definitely grease them though. From what I understand, if you grease them, they'll go another 100K miles.


253? Wow, I'm not sure my torque wrench goes that high lol. Good info though. I was thinking it was similar to my triumph where they specify the end play. I'll have to take a look at the Bentley service manual to see what the procedure is. Thanks for pointing it out to me!
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2025 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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Before you do, make sure you torque up that nut to 253 ftlbs, then line up the hole (going tighter, never looser) to get the cotter pin in. I don't think you'll need to adjust the end play on them, as there's 2 sets of ball bearing rollers. The stub axle goes inside them. I'd definitely grease them though. From what I understand, if you grease them, they'll go another 100K miles.


253? Wow, I'm not sure my torque wrench goes that high lol. Good info though. I was thinking it was similar to my triumph where they specify the end play. I'll have to take a look at the Bentley service manual to see what the procedure is. Thanks for pointing it out to me!


Yes, 253. That's why most of us use a torque multiplier tool to get the nut tight. Before I bought one, I had a 36mm socket welded to a piece of steel flat bar (1/2" thick, by 1 1/2" wide, by 3.5 feet long) That I'd stand on to tighten that nut up. I'd broke three 1/2 inch breaker bars just trying to get it loose, so I welded the socket onto a bar at work (after I asked if I could have the bar). I used that for about 6 years, then got the multiple Torque Miester kit (has teeth that bolt onto a drum too) to mainly do flywheel gland nuts (217 ftlbs), after I broke a couple. I still carry it with me when I go on long road trips, as you never know when you'll need it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2025 10:00 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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Yes, 253. That's why most of us use a torque multiplier tool to get the nut tight. Before I bought one, I had a 36mm socket welded to a piece of steel flat bar (1/2" thick, by 1 1/2" wide, by 3.5 feet long) That I'd stand on to tighten that nut up. I'd broke three 1/2 inch breaker bars just trying to get it loose, so I welded the socket onto a bar at work (after I asked if I could have the bar). I used that for about 6 years, then got the multiple Torque Miester kit (has teeth that bolt onto a drum too) to mainly do flywheel gland nuts (217 ftlbs), after I broke a couple. I still carry it with me when I go on long road trips, as you never know when you'll need it.


Looks like there is a specific tool for this:
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Or I can get a 3/4 torque wrench.

Is the VW specific tool actually going to be useful for the gland nut?

I'm inclined to get the 3/4 wrench as it's good for other stuff as well.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2025 11:30 am    Post subject: Re: 72 Type 3 Square - Bring back to life Reply with quote

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Yes, 253. That's why most of us use a torque multiplier tool to get the nut tight. Before I bought one, I had a 36mm socket welded to a piece of steel flat bar (1/2" thick, by 1 1/2" wide, by 3.5 feet long) That I'd stand on to tighten that nut up. I'd broke three 1/2 inch breaker bars just trying to get it loose, so I welded the socket onto a bar at work (after I asked if I could have the bar). I used that for about 6 years, then got the multiple Torque Miester kit (has teeth that bolt onto a drum too) to mainly do flywheel gland nuts (217 ftlbs), after I broke a couple. I still carry it with me when I go on long road trips, as you never know when you'll need it.


Looks like there is a specific tool for this:
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Or I can get a 3/4 torque wrench.

Is the VW specific tool actually going to be useful for the gland nut?

I'm inclined to get the 3/4 wrench as it's good for other stuff as well.


Yes, that's the multiplier tool I was talking about. I bought mine from Kymco (the older guys on here might remember them), but I also have the version above for doing axle nuts. Basically it takes 9 ftlbs of torque to tighten the gland nut to 217 ftlbs. It multiplies the torque by 9 times, using the gear to gear drive. Both the axle nut and the gland nut are 36mm. It's also not the only dedicated automotive tool I own.
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