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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 7:39 pm    Post subject: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

Hi, I was making my way from Montréal to New Mexico when my engine started acting up after crossing into Tennessee. We were lucky enough to have a retired VW mechanic take a look at it. Looks like one of my cylinders is dead which leaves me with very little power and a little stuck in this hilly landscape.
Does anyone know somebody in the area who could help out? I am still hoping to get this fixed and keep going… we have been stranded for a few days now.

Vanagon 1982, standard, air-cooled, fuel-injection.
We are currently 45min South-East of Nashville.

Any tips would be greatly appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

Have you checked the Van Alert app?

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 2:15 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

These guys are close to you, never used them but the website shows modern cars, and classic VW and Porsche, you may want to call them and see if they can knock out a type 4 engine repair for you.

https://www.nichemotors.com/story

I second the Van-Alert option, that is a great app.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 4:03 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

By dead, I’m assuming no compression in one cylinder? That’s a big job and could add up quickly paying someone to do it.

If you could live with being down on power, you could unplug the one injector and continue on. Better would be to temporarily remove the two pushrods, but more work. You’re basically converting to a 3 cylinder engine. Keep an eye on your oil level. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

Yes, I have looked at the van alert app, there isn’t much around. I also was looking into Niche motors, but was told that they did bad repairs on a few cars around here, so I’m not sure what to think since they do have some good reviews as well…
Apparently J-3 restoration is good but months/year wait to get a job done. Sad

Yes the cylinder has no compression, and just the parts + labour seem to be adding up to almost the price of a full motor!
Just for my understanding what is the advantage of unpluging the injector rather than leaving it as it is?
(It is drinking about 1quart of oil every 100miles!)
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 5:39 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

My guess would be that the cylinder head had a valve go bad, possibly the valve seat or guide came loose. There is a very good chance that your engine could be fixed by just replacing that head. The problem is, finding someone nearby willing and able to get into it.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 5:48 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

I suspect your engine has a burnt exhaust valve due to "valve seat" migration.

And, there is a possibility it has a broken compression ring.

Is it leaking oil?

I had a similar situation almost 30 years ago driving up the Alaska Highway. Right after we made it into Alaska, cylinder #1 went totally dead. I knew something was seriously wrong as we were driving across Canada because it begin losing oil at about any point oil could come out.... but, not smoking at the tail pipe.

I managed to get it to a garage in Delta Junction. Both compression rings were broken and the exhaust valve had a burnt spot that looked like a torch had cut it. A local junk yard had all the parts I needed. The owner of the garage allowed me to do the work myself.

Anyway, the engine will have to be pulled out. Due to the fan housing and cooling tin, it is impossible to remove the head with the engine in place.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 5:57 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

By disconnecting the injector to the dead cyl, you stop gas from flowing into the cylinder. Since it's not running on that cyl anyway, you are preventing unburned gas from getting into the oil and ruining the oil of the engine with contamination
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Sorry to hear of your engine trouble.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

Just want you to have this link, should you feel it would help. Robbie is well known in the Air Cooled circles and a Samba member. He does video consultations. He might even steer you in the direction to a professional in your area who can physically help.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

Randy's VW in Comfort, Texas by San Antonio is about 1,000 miles away but it's on your route and he's probably the most qualified to assess, repair and replace your bad parts.
there is a holiday weekend coming up, but give him a call and see if there's something that you both can work out.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

Burning 1 qrt/100miles could mean there is a hole in that piston or seized piston rings. If you want to go on. As mentioned earlier disconnect the concerned injector to avoid fuel in the engine oil, and most of all preventing petrol from washing the cylinder wall of oil. A non firing cylinder will wear out in under a thousand miles with unburnt fuel.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

And removing the pushrods would leave the valves closed. No chance of something “falling” in the cylinder. This is a middle of nowhere get it home solution.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

I once was on a trip in my old Isuzu trooper and I would have to add oil about every hour or 65miles. took 2cases (24btls) and had 4 left when I got home..

not a great way to go about it, but kept me moving..
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 9:41 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

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Burning 1 qrt/100miles could mean there is a hole in that piston or seized piston rings. If you want to go on. As mentioned earlier disconnect the concerned injector to avoid fuel in the engine oil, and most of all preventing petrol from washing the cylinder wall of oil. A non firing cylinder will wear out in under a thousand miles with unburnt fuel.


Yeah, as I mentioned above in the incident I experienced in 1997, my 2.0 Air-cool was blowing a quart of oil every 1000 miles early on. By the time the #1 cylinder went dead, it was blowing a quart every 100 to 200 miles. The oil blowing was because the two compression rings were compromised. As I remember, the top ring was broke and pieces gone. The second ring down was seized in place. I had it towed 80 miles to where I did the repairs.

The OP hasn't been back since earlier this morning. Hopefully, he'll see the suggestions rather soon and one or more of them will be helpful.

I have a head that I'd donate.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 9:53 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

Some great things to think about for the OP up above.
Again, your situation may not be the same as quoted below. But might be handy for future readers.

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She had been running GREAT for 575 miles.
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The #3 exhaust value decided to take a break. Crying or Very sad

By removing the rocker assembly, pushrods, spark plug and injector plug, I was able to limp home on 3 cylinders.
Oh, and a couple guys in a splitty suggested wrapping a wire around the broken end of the valve to keep it from being sucked into the cylinder.

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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

These are all great advices, I will have to weigh my options. I think I might have a lead with a retired mechanic in the area, he seems to be willing to drop the motor and do the repairs (but thats about 2weeks for parts and labour). Also greatly appreciate the generosity for parts donation, i’ll see if it can come in handy!

Sorry to see these posts so late in the day, it has been hectic putting together new plans and running away from storm warnings. For anybody else who breaks down in the area, there is a fb group called Music City Air Coolers with a lot of great people in Nashville!
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 8:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

Also regarding the oil, I don’t think it is a leak but the motor is burning oil. I have this nasty blueish smoke coming out of the exhaust when it is revved - probably because of the faulty cylinder? I always had a similar issue, just not to this extent…
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

Do you know which cylinder that has lost power?

Also, if I remember correctly, my head has the rectangular exhaust ports. I'm thinking there are two different styles. Someone in the know can clear this up.

My head has all new guides and valves. It was fly cut .020 if I remember correctly. I had them both rebuilt which included seat repair on one of the heads. I never liked the looks of the seat repair job. But, I did run the heads about 1000 miles. Then, I replaced them with new AMC heads from some place in the PNW. That was about 25 years ago. These rebuilt heads have been in the boxes that the new heads came in all these years. I don't need them.

But, if these heads do not match your Heater Boxes, well, they're of no value to you.

Anyway, if you can use them, they are yours. However, I am not sure how would be the best way to get them to you. I live over 4 hours from Nashville.

Oh, and you should pop off the valve cover to take a look at the rockers as others have suggested... this could be a simple fix if the rockers are in fact the issue.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2025 11:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

aatheoret wrote:
Also regarding the oil, I don’t think it is a leak but the motor is burning oil. I have this nasty blueish smoke coming out of the exhaust when it is revved - probably because of the faulty cylinder? I always had a similar issue, just not to this extent…


What can happen with air-cooled engines when they start to burn too much oil is that the burnt oil doesn't fully burn, it turns into a sticky tar sludge that cakes up in the piston ring grooves keeping them stuck, no longer able to follow the cylinder wall, it then makes its way into the small bearing lube hole, via the oil scrapper groove holes and then bungging up the oil scrapper piston ring oiler holes .
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 12:35 am    Post subject: Re: Broken down in Tennessee - looking for help Reply with quote

At 100 miles per quart/liter of oil you need to stop running that motor so you have something rebuildable left. Price out used short blocks and it will be 10X cheaper to Uhaul/flatbed it to the repair spot.
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