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ALLWAGONS
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Michael, you are more of an expert on early cars than me. What would be the biggest challenge to restore this car?
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volksaddict
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| Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 7:09 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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Finding some metal to weld to!
Hope somebody takes it on, but dang, a lot of it has gone back to dust.
Whoever buys it needs my parts in the classifieds  |
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notchboy
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
| Michael, you are more of an expert on early cars than me. What would be the biggest challenge to restore this car? |
Money and getting to know all the people with the right parts for this car.
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squaretobehip
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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| notchboy wrote: |
| ALLWAGONS wrote: |
| Michael, you are more of an expert on early cars than me. What would be the biggest challenge to restore this car? |
Money and getting to know all the people with the right parts for this car. |
This.
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ALLWAGONS
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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Like Pedro says "the truth is out there" and so are the parts!
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pedro sainz
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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| Like Pedro says "the truth is out there" and so are the parts! |
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Kolbys66
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 7:12 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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Finding some metal to weld to!
Hope somebody takes it on, but dang, a lot of it has gone back to dust.
Whoever buys it needs my parts in the classifieds |
I’d buy the rear window but says you won’t ship  |
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ALLWAGONS
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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| volksaddict wrote: |
Finding some metal to weld to!
Hope somebody takes it on, but dang, a lot of it has gone back to dust.
Whoever buys it needs my parts in the classifieds |
I’d buy the rear window but says you won’t ship |
Windows are some of the last things to go into a car. Everything is out there! Why not restore it to your taste? Half of the project is finding the project! I recently sold my type 34 with duplicate parts, I am no body or paint guy. Couldn’t find a painter who wanted to work. They wanted a pretty penny for body and paint but gad to wait two years. I don’t know how much if the work you did on your bug, but it looks real nice and clean.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2025 11:44 am Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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| volksaddict wrote: |
Finding some metal to weld to!
Hope somebody takes it on, but dang, a lot of it has gone back to dust.
Whoever buys it needs my parts in the classifieds |
I’d buy the rear window but says you won’t ship |
Windows are some of the last things to go into a car. Everything is out there! Why not restore it to your taste? Half of the project is finding the project! I recently sold my type 34 with duplicate parts, I am no body or paint guy. Couldn’t find a painter who wanted to work. They wanted a pretty penny for body and paint but gad to wait two years. I don’t know how much if the work you did on your bug, but it looks real nice and clean. |
Yup, when I was doing my T-34, I drove a couple hundred miles for a rear window, as nobody wanted to ship one, so I do understand that. I packed the glass in the bed of my truck with some couch cushions, and strapped it in place and killed a full day just driving. I also picked up some sheet metal at the time from the same guy (he was parting a 62 T-34, and sent the engine surround metal to Lee Hedges). I've had places ship a windshield with no problem, but people get scared about shipping a rear window.
As for doing paint and body work, that becomes a different story, due mostly to the fact it's NOT an insurance job. Most body shops do insurance work only (their bread and butter). Restoration work has it's own costs, as it might get done during slow times in a shop, or it might get done right away, depending on how the shop operates. The bigger problem is the cost of materials has sky rocketed to almost triple or more in some cases for the better paints and primers. When you start quoting high numbers, people start backing away, thinking it's "just an old VW", not realizing it costs almost the same to paint "an old VW" as it does a Camaro or a Mustang, maybe even more if it's getting a color change. All three have about the same amount of metal to be shot, but the VW type 3 has more curves, and gets shot on both sides (inside and out in some places). It also depends on your location too, as some paints are not available in certain areas.Just a couple of things to think about. I hope this helps.
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Kolbys66
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 12:25 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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| What about the vin on the pan? That would make the early car lovers super happy. Calling Gizmo Bob! |
I’ll grab a picture of that as well. Post it up tomorrow. |
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ALLWAGONS
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 1:21 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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Any history on the car? Weird that such an early example would end up in the Oregon forest.
Many have started with cars worse than yours. A 100 percent correct restoration would be tedious if you were looking for NOS parts, but there are many used parts out there from ‘62 and ‘63 that would fit your car, heck, even up to ‘69 cars as they were bullet and short rrear reflector fenders. The rubber is available, I think the most difficult would be the rear popouts. Unless your car came with stationary. Interior material is available. Front brakes are available now in wide 5 disk. User ‘63 notch fit a dual carb engine in the small engine compartment. It’s just a matter of you deciding you want an Uber Cool Early car, or there is a ‘63 for 15k on the samba right now. Only us type 3 nerds enjoy rarities. To everyone else, it will just be a notch.
Think of the possibilities!
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notchboy
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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I think in the Type 3 World, a survivor 65 and older will fetch the big money all day long over a low vin, project - massive project like this. There are honestly only a hand full of people knowledgeable and connected to take this on and maybe a slightly bigger handful of very enthusiastic ones willing to put in the leg work and spend the money to make it "something". Its a weird time for the hobby with those that have, still alive and kicking holding onto their prized possessions & those that want either smart enough, not dumb enough or just poor enough not to pay pretty prices on parts. As we all know, we cant just order what we want when we need it. A project like this needs a 63 and older parts notch that rotted out the bottom 3 inches, cant pas a MOT/TUV, but has a complete everything else.
At 11k, you'll be hard pressed to sell. It will most likely go to someone with lofty dreams and a space to store it away, hidden, with all the best intentions for the next 30 years, untouched and never really started. 2 cents.
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ALLWAGONS
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 5:15 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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Plenty of metal here,
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=2701097
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Kolbys66
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2025 7:41 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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I think in the Type 3 World, a survivor 65 and older will fetch the big money all day long over a low vin, project - massive project like this. There are honestly only a hand full of people knowledgeable and connected to take this on and maybe a slightly bigger handful of very enthusiastic ones willing to put in the leg work and spend the money to make it "something". Its a weird time for the hobby with those that have, still alive and kicking holding onto their prized possessions & those that want either smart enough, not dumb enough or just poor enough not to pay pretty prices on parts. As we all know, we cant just order what we want when we need it. A project like this needs a 63 and older parts notch that rotted out the bottom 3 inches, cant pas a MOT/TUV, but has a complete everything else.
At 11k, you'll be hard pressed to sell. It will most likely go to someone with lofty dreams and a space to store it away, hidden, with all the best intentions for the next 30 years, untouched and never really started. 2 cents. |
I appreciate the input. I literally started my son’s 66 bug project 6 years ago when he bought it at 10. I just picked it up today and it’s officially his and on the road. The wife and I are thinking about doing the same thing. No rush but definitely build it to our style. We are going to take the body off and do the pans and then send it out to start knocking out rust repair. Not in any hurry to finish, we are both mid 40s and want to enjoy it when we both retire in hopefully 10 years  |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Sun May 25, 2025 12:37 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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I think in the Type 3 World, a survivor 65 and older will fetch the big money all day long over a low vin, project - massive project like this. There are honestly only a hand full of people knowledgeable and connected to take this on and maybe a slightly bigger handful of very enthusiastic ones willing to put in the leg work and spend the money to make it "something". Its a weird time for the hobby with those that have, still alive and kicking holding onto their prized possessions & those that want either smart enough, not dumb enough or just poor enough not to pay pretty prices on parts. As we all know, we cant just order what we want when we need it. A project like this needs a 63 and older parts notch that rotted out the bottom 3 inches, cant pas a MOT/TUV, but has a complete everything else.
At 11k, you'll be hard pressed to sell. It will most likely go to someone with lofty dreams and a space to store it away, hidden, with all the best intentions for the next 30 years, untouched and never really started. 2 cents. |
I appreciate the input. I literally started my son’s 66 bug project 6 years ago when he bought it at 10. I just picked it up today and it’s officially his and on the road. The wife and I are thinking about doing the same thing. No rush but definitely build it to our style. We are going to take the body off and do the pans and then send it out to start knocking out rust repair. Not in any hurry to finish, we are both mid 40s and want to enjoy it when we both retire in hopefully 10 years |
In this case, I'd look for the parts that are missing, and buy them while the getting is good. The deal with T-34 parts applies here too, get them while they are available, not when you need them. I've run into both sides on that deal.
Try to find a pair of late model Notch rear fenders (70-73). They just aren't out there. I cut up a pair of early fenders and added the late tail lights (from a Squareback) to them. A couple of weeks later I found a set of 69 rear Notch fenders (still to early) in Canada, that I bought for possible use on another car (the price was right). The big problem I have is that I'm in the wrong part of the country (western edge of the east coast/eastern edge of the mid west), so shipping is killer.
I do agree with what Jason is talking about too, as I've been there. Not like he was, where he could go to a half a dozen junk yards and pick the parts he needed to either finish a project, or get one up and running. I've been into type 3s for a long time, and an owner of at least one since July 4th 1990. I did have a 66 Square back in 1986 too, but sold it. Back then parts were easier to find, as nobody really wanted them. Now, those same parts if they're still around command higher prices. And yes the internet is either a godsend, or the devil, sometimes both. Just my take on it.
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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squaretobehip
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| Posted: Wed May 28, 2025 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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I think in the Type 3 World, a survivor 65 and older will fetch the big money all day long over a low vin, project - massive project like this. There are honestly only a hand full of people knowledgeable and connected to take this on and maybe a slightly bigger handful of very enthusiastic ones willing to put in the leg work and spend the money to make it "something". Its a weird time for the hobby with those that have, still alive and kicking holding onto their prized possessions & those that want either smart enough, not dumb enough or just poor enough not to pay pretty prices on parts. As we all know, we cant just order what we want when we need it. A project like this needs a 63 and older parts notch that rotted out the bottom 3 inches, cant pas a MOT/TUV, but has a complete everything else.
At 11k, you'll be hard pressed to sell. It will most likely go to someone with lofty dreams and a space to store it away, hidden, with all the best intentions for the next 30 years, untouched and never really started. 2 cents. |
I appreciate the input. I literally started my son’s 66 bug project 6 years ago when he bought it at 10. I just picked it up today and it’s officially his and on the road. The wife and I are thinking about doing the same thing. No rush but definitely build it to our style. We are going to take the body off and do the pans and then send it out to start knocking out rust repair. Not in any hurry to finish, we are both mid 40s and want to enjoy it when we both retire in hopefully 10 years |
I was checking the classifieds and noticed it wasn't there anymore. So you're going to tackle it? Right on.
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| Posted: Thu May 29, 2025 7:10 am Post subject: Re: Starting a new post. 1962 VW Notchback #236 |
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I think in the Type 3 World, a survivor 65 and older will fetch the big money all day long over a low vin, project - massive project like this. There are honestly only a hand full of people knowledgeable and connected to take this on and maybe a slightly bigger handful of very enthusiastic ones willing to put in the leg work and spend the money to make it "something". Its a weird time for the hobby with those that have, still alive and kicking holding onto their prized possessions & those that want either smart enough, not dumb enough or just poor enough not to pay pretty prices on parts. As we all know, we cant just order what we want when we need it. A project like this needs a 63 and older parts notch that rotted out the bottom 3 inches, cant pas a MOT/TUV, but has a complete everything else.
At 11k, you'll be hard pressed to sell. It will most likely go to someone with lofty dreams and a space to store it away, hidden, with all the best intentions for the next 30 years, untouched and never really started. 2 cents. |
I appreciate the input. I literally started my son’s 66 bug project 6 years ago when he bought it at 10. I just picked it up today and it’s officially his and on the road. The wife and I are thinking about doing the same thing. No rush but definitely build it to our style. We are going to take the body off and do the pans and then send it out to start knocking out rust repair. Not in any hurry to finish, we are both mid 40s and want to enjoy it when we both retire in hopefully 10 years |
I was checking the classifieds and noticed it wasn't there anymore. So you're going to tackle it? Right on. |
Yeah, we are going to go full steam ahead |
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Hell yeah. Keep this thread alive and updated!
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I think in the Type 3 World, a survivor 65 and older will fetch the big money all day long over a low vin, project - massive project like this. There are honestly only a hand full of people knowledgeable and connected to take this on and maybe a slightly bigger handful of very enthusiastic ones willing to put in the leg work and spend the money to make it "something". Its a weird time for the hobby with those that have, still alive and kicking holding onto their prized possessions & those that want either smart enough, not dumb enough or just poor enough not to pay pretty prices on parts. As we all know, we cant just order what we want when we need it. A project like this needs a 63 and older parts notch that rotted out the bottom 3 inches, cant pas a MOT/TUV, but has a complete everything else.
At 11k, you'll be hard pressed to sell. It will most likely go to someone with lofty dreams and a space to store it away, hidden, with all the best intentions for the next 30 years, untouched and never really started. 2 cents.
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