Sandrail Frame ID -> Title Help

[BuggyDeeg]

I recently purchased this sandrail and would like to get it titled and street legal. First step is a chassis ID which is turning into a monumental task here in Missouri.
Ive been told by Highway Patrol inspectors that if the chassis ID is not present that the best path is to build it up and then file court paperwork for a Declatory Judgement where a Judge will grant me ownership and a title. Major PITA

Can anyone possible help me ID this chassis and maybe direct me to a spot where the manufacturer may have stamped a chassis number? Ive looked for a tag on the rear tube, and stampings near the front frame horn. Any other suggestions are welcome.

[Dale M.]

Won't give you chassis ID number or location but may help with titling...

https://www.semasan.com/semaga/TagTitleToolbox_MO.pdf
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[cbeck]

It must be getting harder since I did mine.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=604078&highlight=
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[BuggyDeeg]

Donor title is an approach I didn't know was an option!! Where would I find just a title?

[cbeck]

I bought a clapped out beetle with title for $500. I was told by the "friendly" officers at the south stl county location I needed a title to show where the motor, trans and suspension came from. The title was put in my name as a salvage title because I did not get a vin verification done at a safety inspection station. Sold the clapped out beetle and salvage title and recouped $200.
Check out race cougars recent thread on getting his legal. He must have pissed somebody off, he was jumping thru hoops like a trick pony.
If no vin or manufacturers statement of origin , a reciept for tubing proves ownership of the tubing. Sacrificial title proves ownership of the drive train. The hp inspection is not for safety, it is to prove you own all the parts. I had a shoebox full of reciepts, with my name on the reciepts, for all of the new parts I used. From seat covers to gauges to electrical crimp connectors,
Once I figured out what was needed, it was a piece of cake.
I did not make an appearance at the highway patrol with a completed vehicle (or a partial) until I had all of my ducks in a row. I did nothing thru the mail, I made appearances and brought paperwork in person.
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[Wulfthang]

Move to Arizona! I spent a year building my Rat Rod Trail Rail before working on the title. I trailered it to the State DMV Inspection place after spending a month going over it to make sure everything that was required for street use was functioning as designed. I was worried about the wipers. They were kind of shaky. I had very few receipts and no donor title.

At the Inspection station, two Inspectors came out with clipboards and started going over my car. They never asked once to see anything work!!! All they did was walk around it and look at stuff and comment. "Oh crap! He's got a remote gun control system in here. Is that even legal? A heads up display. He's got a heads up display!! Good Golly! Look at this friggin' engine!! What are those things? How come there's so many levers? What in the world is....OMG. Look at this thing! Etc. etc. etc." Then they gave me a DMV tag with a DMV number on it and sent me on my way. They never inspected anything.

Then, with a new temp tag on it, I de-trailered it in the DMV parking lot.My Wife drove the truck and trailer home and I took off for the Emissions Station. I asked there how hard it would be to pass with my hyped up engine and absolutely no emissions equipment. The response was "If it runs, it'll pass". The standards are different for home built vehicles.

Getting it insured and street legal was the easy part. The hard part is driving it on the street where every body has to get as close as possible to look at it while doing fifty miles an hour down the road!

[Wulfthang]

Could that be an Invader or maybe a Fugitive frame? It looks a lot like mine.

[racecougar]

I just completed this process a few months ago. Even with a donor title, receipts, bill of sale, and affidavit from the previous owner, I had to get the declaratory judgement (which technically requires filing a suit against the DOR). If you need a lawyer, I can set you up with the one that did mine.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=785994

[ORANGECRUSHer]

The first thing that came into my mind was Hijumper, but I don't know anything.

Do you have anything like an assembled vehicle title there?
In michigan a buggy is usually listed as an assembled roadster. They recognize the fact that there is no main manufacturer and that the thing is made up of separate sometimes unrelated parts. You just have to hand them a stack of "receipts" for the parts that make it up (they don't know anything about building buggies so this can be fudged somewhat) and some pictures of the buggy and they give you a new title for it. Of course there's an actual inspection done by a local sheriff to judge whether the vehicle is roadworthy first.
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[ORANGECRUSHer]

[ORANGECRUSHer]

If it ever had a VIN it would be under the lower windshield tube. I doubt anything was stamped. Maybe a sticker that got painted over? I did that with mine without realizing it. Dummy.

I really think you should act as if this is a new frame you built and just go the assembled vehicle route. And quit talking to the jackass state troopers. lol
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Brian H.

OrangeCrushERBerrien Warrior-2.4L Quad4-2x3 arms-1.5Fox coilovers-094-930CVs
LAZY MARY1970 Baja 2110cc-82mm CB forged crank-AA pistons/cylinders-Grant rings-1.1 vw rockers-CB serpkit-CB chromoly PRs-CB maxiflow filter pump-wix51515 filter-Dual 44IDF-cut/turned front beam-AEM wideband-Auber CHT-Donaldson Dual PowerCore filters-custom AL air boxes

[racecougar]

[ORANGECRUSHer]

Well like I said, different in different states. Highway patrol in Michigan, AKA state police, bless their souls have a tough job but tend to be absolute drill sergeant jackasses in Michigan. Good to hear it's not that way there.

I'll be there in about two weeks to float in your rivers. Probably pee in them too.
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OrangeCrushERBerrien Warrior-2.4L Quad4-2x3 arms-1.5Fox coilovers-094-930CVs
LAZY MARY1970 Baja 2110cc-82mm CB forged crank-AA pistons/cylinders-Grant rings-1.1 vw rockers-CB serpkit-CB chromoly PRs-CB maxiflow filter pump-wix51515 filter-Dual 44IDF-cut/turned front beam-AEM wideband-Auber CHT-Donaldson Dual PowerCore filters-custom AL air boxes

[cbeck]

[ORANGECRUSHer]

what do they got against beer bongs and jello-shots! lol
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[cbeck]

Hold my beer. Hey yall, watch this.

They outlawed vehicles In the rivers and streams back in the 80's. Lesterville and the black river used to be overrun with hundreds, if not more, of trucks, buggies and swamp buggies all playing in the river. Always had to stop and watch the buggies drive downstream with nothing but the filter on top of their air logs, and their heads still above water. You think keeping dust out of your engine is hard.... Ive got a pic somewhere , from inside my baja, with water over the hood and lapping off of the windshield. Mine didn't float.
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[racecougar]

I won't disagree about the patrols on the rivers, but I'll state that the folks at Troop I in Rolla were an absolute pleasure to deal with when going through the process of getting a VIN for my rail.

[BuggyDeeg]

Thanks all for your replies. Heres a little additional info I learned today on acquiring a title against an abandoned vehicle. First off... the MO DVM is useless. got this info from Jeff City.
1. Fill out form 5091-Records Search (Notarized) and submit, email or snail mail. Wait for mailed response.
2. Fill out form 5227-Notification Letter and send certified mail to party identified from records search results. You must wait 30 days for either a response or return to sender.
3. Fill out form 768-Abandoned Vehicle and Purchase form 551-Vehicle Inspection. Make an appointment with local Missouri Highway Inspector. Take all forms and vehicle to inspection. Have inspector complete form 551 and assist with completing form 768.
4. Fill out form 108-Application for Vehicle Title. Since its abandoned you will need to select Salvage. Complete form. Fees are sales tax based off KBB fair market value of vehicle, plus title fee of $14.50. This is only for a title. Your check is made payable to Missouri - Department of Revenue and must have your phone number and drivers license number on it. Finally, make copies of all these completed forms for your records and put them somewhere very safe. Then mail the originals with appropriate notaries and check to Jeff City, DOR. Hope this help y'all wanting to title "abandoned" bugs.
This, my friends, is a PITA!!!

This is why I'm going through the process.

[racecougar]

Is this separate from the rail, or are you obtaining a title on this to use as a donor for the rail?

[BuggyDeeg]

This is separate from the sandrail.
I have two irons in the fire.
I've learned my lesson. Never again will I buy anything without a title.