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Eric&Barb
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 Posted: Thu Jan 09, 2025 9:23 pm Post subject: Re: direction for a '52 |
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| Running 12v to the stock 6v starter (works fine). |
For now.
I chewed up ring gears on two different flywheels doing this. (If it were a good idea, the factory would have done it.) |
Did you change the solenoid to 12 volt with the 6 volt starter??
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type4split
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| Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 4:55 pm Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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Thanks for feedback.
I’ll check bushing.
Esde, I was thinking of 12v 90mm generator. Anyone know if I can run an early thin lip pulley? I have a OG Pepco I’m putting on and need thin pulley to clear.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Fri Jan 10, 2025 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: direction for a '52 |
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| Looking for some advice and others experience regarding 6v vs 12v. I’ve installed a brand new (VWLOOMS) wiring harness. New battery cables. Starter is original bosch, but rebuilt Engine is a ‘58. With a 6v battery it hardly cranks. |
Did you polish up the transaxle and starter surfaces where they mount together. That is important for a good ground and do use dielectric grease to keep away the corrosion.
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esde
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 9:03 am Post subject: Re: direction for a '52 |
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| Eric&Barb wrote: |
| Blue Baron wrote: |
| esde wrote: |
| Running 12v to the stock 6v starter (works fine). |
For now.
I chewed up ring gears on two different flywheels doing this. (If it were a good idea, the factory would have done it.) |
Did you change the solenoid to 12 volt with the 6 volt starter?? |
Nope. I considered it, but it was at the bottom of the to-do list, and never gave me a problem so I never touched it. When the starter finally did give up the smoke many years later, I just replaced it and that may be the one thats still with that motor.. now in my 65 bus.
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Thanks for feedback.
I’ll check bushing.
Esde, I was thinking of 12v 90mm generator. Anyone know if I can run an early thin lip pulley? I have a OG Pepco I’m putting on and need thin pulley to clear. |
I do have a thin lip pulley on my 12v 90mm generator. Mine is an industrial unit, which I was told is slightly different from the Porsche generators, though I'm unsure what the differences are.
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| Looking for some advice and others experience regarding 6v vs 12v. I’ve installed a brand new (VWLOOMS) wiring harness. New battery cables. Starter is original bosch, but rebuilt Engine is a ‘58. With a 6v battery it hardly cranks. |
Did you polish up the transaxle and starter surfaces where they mount together. That is important for a good ground and do use dielectric grease to keep away the corrosion. |
I will attest to this. I recently replaced all the cables and grounds on a 55 that sat for 30+ years, and it was still slow to crank. After wire brushing the transmission where the starter mounts the crank speed was noticeably higher, and more consistent.
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2025 10:08 am Post subject: Re: direction for a '52 |
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Nope. I considered it, but it was at the bottom of the to-do list, and never gave me a problem so I never touched it. When the starter finally did give up the smoke many years later, I just replaced it and that may be the one thats still with that motor.. now in my 65 bus. |
With the 6 volt solenoid the starter gear pounds on the flywheel teeth a lot harder making for more damage of the softer flywheel material.
| esde wrote: |
I will attest to this. I recently replaced all the cables and grounds on a 55 that sat for 30+ years, and it was still slow to crank. After wire brushing the transmission where the starter mounts the crank speed was noticeably higher, and more consistent. |
Good!! Also do same for the surfaces between the starter motor and the starter solenoid for properly working ground there.
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type4split
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| Posted: Sat Jun 14, 2025 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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Fuel line replacement time.
I can’t seem to find any details on pre ‘52 replacements. All threads go to 60s and maybe an oval. Anyone have details specific to splits? Right now I’m struggling with the back attachment point. Obviously it’s loose in frame horn hole. But where does it attach ?
UPDATE:
Old line is loose at the front tab. Loose below the shift tube. But seems to be rigid forward of the trans access hole. Is there another tab?
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type4split
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2025 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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Hi team! Need some help. So confused.
Trying to get my ‘52 a show this weekend. Sorted multiple issues, but still struggling.
It’s a ‘58 engine. Runs great then next day like dog poo. I’ve had carb off and exchanged. Cleaned carb and put NOS back on. Timing ran through multiple times. Wtf?
I replaced fuel line, cleaned tank? New petcock, fuel filter is new. Pumped gas through line to ensure clean fuel supply
It’s maddening because it ran fine last night. Today missing
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Wed Aug 13, 2025 8:50 pm Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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What color is the spark??
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type4split
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2025 3:59 am Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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I guess I can’t answer that with certainty right now. I'll check again tonight. It was the 1st thing I checked last week. thinking a weak coil? I was under impression coils were good or bad. this intermittence is what has me puzzled.
Also I checked and confirmed float is not stuck and bowl is full.
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VW_Jimbo 
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2025 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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| type4split wrote: |
I guess I can’t answer that with certainty right now. I'll check again tonight. It was the 1st thing I checked last week. thinking a weak coil? I was under impression coils were good or bad. this intermittence is what has me puzzled.
Also I checked and confirmed float is not stuck and bowl is full. |
I spent a solid 8 months chasing an intermittent hard start issue on my 70 Bug. I went in circles week after week, checking spark, spraying starting fluid, checking cranking voltage at the coil, etc. etc. I was taught coils either are good or bad. As a mechanic, this hypothesis was proven over and over again. But after 8 months of spinning my starter, I had enough. I did a deep dive into logical thinking and decided all the past events proved everything worked. So, I went at the issue with a different mindset. To change out the only part that I was unsure about. The coil. However, this coil was nuts on the money on resistance on both sides! It would produce a white spark during a spark test. It seemed perfect.
But, I got a new coil and installed it. I was still very doubtful. I got in the car after the install and braced myself for another failure. My hopes were just so high and this really was my last ditch solution, a Hail Mary! I put the key into the ignition switch and turned it. The engine ROARED to life! It was like old times! I could feel the adrenaline pulsing through my body with the excitement of having finally figured it out!
Looking back, it was more like 12 months of a poor starting engine. I had rebuilt the carbs thinking they were tired and seeping fuel. At the early points of the issue, it was stupid little tells. Like one time, it did not start. I gave the car a few minutes and it started right up. You get what I am saying.
After adding all of those events together, I was floored it took me a year to figure out the problem. So, if you think it is the coil. Just change it out and see if your situation improves, drastically!
Good luck!
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Eric&Barb
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:05 am Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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I guess I can’t answer that with certainty right now. I'll check again tonight. It was the 1st thing I checked last week. thinking a weak coil? I was under impression coils were good or bad. this intermittence is what has me puzzled.
Also I checked and confirmed float is not stuck and bowl is full. |
Coil or condenser can work, but be so so for spark output or good enough at start and degrade as the component heats up with use.
Not hard to switch coils to see. Sure a bit more of a fuss to change condenser, but then you know with the result.
Would also check that the voltage at the coil is almost the same as at the battery. Not enough voltage going into the coil is not going to result in good spark. Seen plenty of younger VWs with up to 2 volts of drop.....
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type4split
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2025 9:09 am Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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Thanks Jimbo. i feel like you are telling my story. endless timing checks., pulling plugs, cranking, fuel line, cleaning carb., changing carb, filters, petcock, etc. etc.
runs terrible, and then perfect, then back to terrible with nothing changed other than another sunrise. i have a number of coil (none new) i'll give a couple a try and ultimately possibly buy a new. thanks further updates after work.
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type4split
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| Posted: Thu Aug 14, 2025 6:34 pm Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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Ok. Got a dirty, rusty, crap coil off the shelf. It started right up.
Pulled it out of garage. Came back later. Started up. Moved it around. 3hrs later same thing. Boy, I hope it was a crap old borg warner coil that I had on it.
Thanks jimbo. I’m fingers crossed, heading to show Saturday !!
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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Ok. Got a dirty, rusty, crap coil off the shelf. It started right up.
Pulled it out of garage. Came back later. Started up. Moved it around. 3hrs later same thing. Boy, I hope it was a crap old borg warner coil that I had on it.
Thanks jimbo. I’m fingers crossed, heading to show Saturday !! |
Glad my experience helped you out! That one drove me F’N CRAZY! Wishing someone had mentioned coils can seem to work but only marginally! And that right there is why, I am just a student!
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type4split
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| Posted: Fri Aug 15, 2025 5:16 pm Post subject: Re: Direction for a '52 |
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So excited. She’s still all good.
Its officially been driven out of barn. Down road, parked in driveway and now on trailer for show tomorrow
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