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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 8:51 am    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

Apostle: I did the exact same thing with hydraulic hose. My only concern is that the hydraulic hose might rub on the tie rods. If I ever get this thing bled I might swap the hydraulic hose for metal but that will probably require removing the fuel tank to do right. Time will tell.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

I'm using plastic split loom for protection as I have concerns about the tie rods as well. I'm replacing the wheel cylinders soon and thinking about using DOT 5 fluid as everything will be new.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 9:54 am    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

Pantone that is very odd that you cannot pull fluid through the system with a vacuum. In the past I never bench bled new masters, but the last few I have put in my other cars I have bench bled and it made it easier. I know it's a pain to do work twice, but at this point I would remove it and bench bleed to make sure there is no problem with the master.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 10:17 am    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

Placing the reservoir inside the trunk is a better option than under the trunk on the master. Under the trunk the reservoir and its vent hole cap is exposed to all sorts of road splash, and that location is some what difficult for fluid inspection and service. The trunk is cleaner, drier, and allows ease of level and color of fluid inspection, and ease of refill, flushing. The fluid will stay drier and cleaner usually if reservoir is in the trunk.
In the trunk, I can easily see the fluid level and color each time I fill up the gas tank, no need to kneel on the ground to see it. I am an old fart and kneeling for that is easy no more. I know kneeling to look under the truck can dirty me clothes, and me hands. Heck I am afraid that if I kneel I may not be able to get back up!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 2:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

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This got me going quite well. I'm using a 1967 aftermarket reservoir. The black cap came from a quart brake fluid bottle. I used a Presta valve because it's what I had around. I forced fluid from front to back with a bicycle tire pump. Got things started quite well, and fast too.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

Not sure why your link didn't work:

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 5:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

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Putting the rag under the reservoir to catch spills when servicing is smart!

Always wear safety glasses when dealing with brake fluid. Dot 3 and 4 is highly corrosive to the eyes. It will burn your eyes as if lit matches were shoved in the eye. A tiny splash in my eye despite near immediate flushing with copious amounts of water had me eyes still burning like Heck, had to go to the doctor where they flushed it more and numbed it with an anesthetic to quench the pain, OUCH!!!!!!!!!!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 5:23 pm    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

So did you get the system bled out completely now with a high firm brake pedal? Good idea with the pump system.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 09, 2025 7:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

The system is doing "OK", not bad not great either. I think I need more driving around and then re-adjusting shoes. I also had to adjust the push rod a few times, but I expected that. I feel that the system is very bubble-free from pushing the fluid rather than vacuuming or pedal pumping.

I don't know which Samba member that I stole the cap/valve/bike pump idea from, but it's genius. The first pump told that things were going in the right direction. Thank you mystery Samba member!
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2025 5:13 am    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

56Cabrio wrote:
This is what I did on my oval, kept my original in place for looks though.
Here is a good thread on upgrading
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Did you consider drilling a hole in the top mount brake reservoir, inserting a grommet, and running a hard line to the original reservoir so you can fill the new reservoir from the original? I'm upgrading my '58 and would like to keep my original reservoir in place as well.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2025 6:26 am    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

Fusillade wrote:
56Cabrio wrote:
This is what I did on my oval, kept my original in place for looks though.
Here is a good thread on upgrading
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=...mp;start=0
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Did you consider drilling a hole in the top mount brake reservoir, inserting a grommet, and running a hard line to the original reservoir so you can fill the new reservoir from the original? I'm upgrading my '58 and would like to keep my original reservoir in place as well.


I set Mine up like the picture above. I bent the hard lines into place, used 1 brake switch, plugged the second hole and used the stick push rod.

As fast as running a line from the stock reservoir to the new one. The top mounted reservoir, as pictured above has 2 zones. One for each circuit, it’s not one big reservoir nor is there passage for the fluid to level out.
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 26, 2025 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Single to Dual Master Upgrade Reply with quote

richparker wrote:
As fast as running a line from the stock reservoir to the new one. The top mounted reservoir, as pictured above has 2 zones. One for each circuit, it’s not one big reservoir nor is there passage for the fluid to level out.


Mine has a filter screen which can be removed exposing the first chamber. When I look inside, it appears to have a small square cutout between the two chambers to allow fluid to flow from the first chamber to the second chamber as well as two smaller vent holes above the two chambers to allow the displaced air from the second chamber to vent back into the first chamber.

I've also seen a JBugs video on YouTube that does exactly as I've described to a 1963 Beetle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CorjjxZ7gRM

The modification begins at 1:34.

I would just like to hear comments from someone that has actually done this.
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