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remdiw
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 Posted: Thu Nov 27, 2025 10:07 pm Post subject: Original Transaxle? |
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| Is there a way of determining if the transaxle in my 1967 is original? |
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Tizian
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2025 12:45 am Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| remdiw wrote: |
| Is there a way of determining if the transaxle in my 1967 is original? |
In what way original?
1. Original to the bus from factory:
This is probably impossible to tell since there are no serial numbers.
EDIT: Sorry not fully correct: There are serial numbers but no records to which VIN they belong.
2. Original 67 case and spec:
First thing to look after if it has big nuts for the break drums. Then it should have additional bump stops attached to tubes just besides the RGBs.
Then it starts to get tricky. If you want to know if the case is a 67, then you need to pull the engine. It should be a 12V housing, meaning have more space for the later bigger flywheel on the engine. Inside the bell you will find markings when the case was cast. It“s a pair of two diget numbers inside circles near the input shaft. If you now want to determine if the gear ratios are all original spec, you should first check the m-code plate if there was an option for a special RGB ratio. Then you would have to take apart the RGBs to count the teeth. To determine the gear ratios of the transmission it gets even more trickier. You could probably count the revolutions of the input shaft and compare it with those of the axle. Or you drive at certain RPM with stockish 14“ tires and check how fast it goes in each gear. To know for certain you will probably have to tear the transmission apart to check the gears and ring and pinion etc…
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Clara
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2025 7:32 am Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| Tizian wrote: |
| remdiw wrote: |
| Is there a way of determining if the transaxle in my 1967 is original? |
In what way original?
1. Original to the bus from factory:
This is probably impossible to tell since there are no serial numbers.
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Actually there is a serial number stamped on the transaxle. And a list if what numbers were used when is in the technical section with the VIN listing
Are you wanting to know if that trans is oriuginal to your specific bus?
or are you wanting to know if the gearing is stock?
or?
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remdiw
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2025 8:15 am Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| Yeah, I’m working on filling in some gaps in the history of my bus. I’m just curious whether the transaxle is the original. I bought the bus in 1988 and my memory is foggy but I’m pretty sure the previous owner mentioned have some trans repair work completed. I reached out to the PO a few years ago and he had unfortunately passed away. His wife didn’t remember any repair to the trans. |
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jeffavatech
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2025 9:06 am Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| Hello, there sure be a letter H preceding the s/n. This will let you know that it's for a bus. August of 66 should have a s/n in the 956xxxx range. The trans case will also have the upgraded 1st / 2nd slider shaft (longer style). It won't have the newer nose cone with reverse light switch hole until Nov / Dec 1966. Hope this helps |
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70bus 
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2025 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| technical section with the VIN listing |
For some years. Trans numbers seem to be unreported from 64 in that list. EB needs to put mine in - H7 827701, first week of May 65, which matches body production date.
Check Progressive Refinements; I think that's where I found production numbers for END of each month. That allows you to see if your trans# makes sense. If the number is after the date on your Mcode plate it likely is a replacement. Earlier MAY be a trans that was in the stock room for a while, or may be a rebuilt replacement later in life.
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BulliBill
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2025 1:24 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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Happy Thanksgiving all!
My Jan 20th of 1967 Campmobile still has it's original transaxle in place after about 160,000 miles on the Bus. It's transaxle serial numer is: H9 929433.
I also have a spare back-up 1967 transaxle in storage with serial number: H9 929073
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70bus
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2025 1:41 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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Lots of gaps on the trans # section - front axle, too...
If anyone knows that their trans should be original and knows offhand the number on their trans (or feels like getting greasy to go look), please post your bus manu date and the trans number here. I've asked Everett if he can at least add the numbers of mine and Bill's buses to fill some blanks.
Heck, let him know the front axle number too - EB might be bored this holiday weekend and needs something to do. :)
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BarryL
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| Posted: Fri Nov 28, 2025 7:02 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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Do your side covers look like this?
Like a spaceship?
Do you have backup lights? |
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don.ville
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 7:35 am Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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FYI: if you only ever own or have one bus/bug, when anyone mentions big nut vs small nut that is hard to know what you have.
I only have my nut(s), and never really put them next to anyone else’s nut to know if it’s big or small.
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remdiw
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| Barryl, yes on both. |
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70bus
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 1:17 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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I didn' think it was the nuts guys were comparing if big or small...
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BarryL
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| Posted: Sat Nov 29, 2025 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| remdiw wrote: |
| Barryl, yes on both. |
Judging by your bus' history and these two features I'd say more than likely your transaxle is original. What month is your bus and what is your axle number? |
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remdiw
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| Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2025 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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Barryl, the production date is March 20, 1967. The numbers on my transaxle are:
113 301 103
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H0133882
Best I can tell. Tough to see! |
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BarryL
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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Everett posted in the technical section the number of a
January 20, 1967 rear axle as H9595476.
Spaceship reinforced side covers were only on the late 1967 axles.
Yours is
March 20, 1967 rear axle as H0133882 with spaceship side covers.
I have a
June 19, 1967 rear axle as H0199245 known original with spaceships
I also have an
unknown month 1967 rear axle as H9595476 no spaceships.
I believe axles with the "H" "0" are beyond the "9"s meaning "ten".
There are casting dates hidden in the bell housings that can provide more info if needed. |
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remdiw
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| Posted: Tue Dec 02, 2025 8:33 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| Thanks Barryl! |
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jeffavatech
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2025 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| Well, mine is H9563078 for 15 June 1966. It has the spaceship side covers. And yes, it’s the original trans. To the bus. It also has the longer 1st / 2nd shift rod. |
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BarryL
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2025 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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Whoa 15 June '66 with spaceships. That is strange.
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Everett posted in the technical section the number of a
January 20, 1967 rear axle as H9595476.. |
Sheesh, I meant Everett posted H9929073. |
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70bus
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| Posted: Wed Dec 03, 2025 7:27 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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The H9 929073 number is from BulliBill, above in this topic. Bill, do you have spaeships?
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BarryL
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| Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2025 6:37 pm Post subject: Re: Original Transaxle? |
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| The H9 929073 number is from BulliBill, above in this topic. Bill, do you have spaeships? |
OK. Everett must have deemed it factual enough since he put it in the technical vin section.
Bentley says Spaceship began March, 1967. Also at that time the axle tubes went from butt-weld to a stronger system. |
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