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Xevin  Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2025 10:17 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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Glad you like those Rich. I was always curious about those.
My bro has about 12,000 miles on those Ptlas tires. He is still happy with them.
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7793 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2025 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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^IDK if I like them, I liked the price. They were what the Grabbers use to be, $600 for the set. Looks like the Grabbers are ~$800 for a set on eBay now and my LTS quoted me $1200 for a set, FFS.
The cheap ass no-name tires were $500 a set. _________________ __________
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HarryFD Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2025 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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2 weeks ago, I drove my bus to a meeting of friends.
The roads were damp and each time I started from a stop the rear tires slipped like I was trying to do a burn out. I looked at by the tires (Nokian Hakka C) and they were barely worn. I then checked the dates. They were made in 2014!
I called my tire guy and told him what was happening. He told me I needed new tires. Sadly, the Nokian’s were no longer available. He offered a choice of Continental Vanco or General Grabbers. I opted for the grabbers.
They were installed today. My drive to the tire shop was tense due to the heavy rains. The new tires were installed and there was a noticeable improvement to the handling of my bus.
I should not have waited so long. |
By the way what size are those grabbers for the stock rims. I have stock rims on my 71 panel bus and it will need new tires because the ones on it are passenger car tires that were good enough to roll it on and off the trailer but I'm going to totally replace those before I drive it anywhere and I think I'll go with the grabbers too, everybody seems to love them. |
My bus has 15" bug wheels (smoothies). The tires are 195/70-15. _________________ 1970 Deluxe Sunroof Bay Brilliant Blue/Cloud White
1971 Jaguar XKE 2+2 V12 Coupe
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HarryFD Samba Member
Joined: February 24, 2012 Posts: 843 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Sun Dec 21, 2025 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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^IDK if I like them, I liked the price. They were what the Grabbers use to be, $600 for the set. Looks like the Grabbers are ~$800 for a set on eBay now and my LTS quoted me $1200 for a set, FFS.
The cheap ass no-name tires were $500 a set. |
I paid a bit over $600 installed for my set of Grabbers (HT Van). _________________ 1970 Deluxe Sunroof Bay Brilliant Blue/Cloud White
1971 Jaguar XKE 2+2 V12 Coupe
1973.5 911 Targa
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petrol punk Samba Member

Joined: August 21, 2007 Posts: 1053 Location: Las Vegas, NV
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Posted: Mon Dec 22, 2025 2:08 pm Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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Here tires only last 5 years if the car is parked outside regardless of mileage. Intense UV and dry heat dries them out. I had 33x10.5's and a welded diff on my 4cyl Tacoma and in the rain I would accidentally get sideways shifting into 2nd with 5 year old tires. _________________ 36hp '56 European DeLuxe oval
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Nitramrebrab72 Samba Member
Joined: November 10, 2018 Posts: 1007 Location: France
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2025 4:58 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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Here is a photo of a 40 plus year old Michelin xzx that has been on my bug for many years, including the last 10 in hobernation.i would not drive on it anymore but look at the condition of the rubber. They do not make tires of this quality anymore.
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They still do, can get them from the local tyre shop here in france... |
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Bobs67vwagen Samba Member
Joined: March 27, 2005 Posts: 988 Location: Eastern north carolina
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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2025 3:20 pm Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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| The original michelin xzx's were made in france. Do you know where the current ones you spoke of are made? Thanks bob |
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42965 Location: at the beach in Northern Wokistan
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2025 12:56 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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| bought a set of Vantra LT 185R14 RA018 8ply for the bus since the tires on it are 15 years old. From a Michelin dealer I have been buying tires from and fixing flats for 35 years. Kinda of strange in a way. The owner in 1990 was the son of the original owner. He was in his 60's. His son was in his early 20's with long hair. The father passed away a few years ago and the business went to his son, now a balding businessman about his father's age when I started there. And me an old man now too. |
Picked up the new Vantras today. Garage smells of new tires. Bled the brakes but they feel funny so will do it again tomorrow or Saturday. Should buy a lottery ticket. The hose on the motive bleeder was old but looked good. Finished the bleeding, let pressure out of the bleeder, went to unscrew the cap and the hose broke. What a mess it would have been if that happened while I was bleeding the brakes. Then when I went to open up the clamps I took off to replace the hose, one of the clamps sprung out of the snap ring pliers I was using to open it back up. Bounced off the tool chest, ceiling, two or three boxes, the water heater and landed between my feet. Thought it was lost forever when it took off. _________________
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richparker Samba Member

Joined: November 24, 2011 Posts: 7793 Location: Durango, CO
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2025 6:47 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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I ran the Vantras for a while, they are a great tire! What pressure are you running?
I drop shit and shit goes flying all the time in my garage, I’ve lost so many small items. Then I spend the rest of the time I have left looking for them and sometimes nothing gets done, definitely frustrating. It’s nice when things go our way once and a while and it lands at your feet. _________________ __________
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42965 Location: at the beach in Northern Wokistan
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2025 9:50 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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I ran the Vantras for a while, they are a great tire! What pressure are you running?
I drop shit and shit goes flying all the time in my garage, I’ve lost so many small items. Then I spend the rest of the time I have left looking for them and sometimes nothing gets done, definitely frustrating. It’s nice when things go our way once and a while and it lands at your feet. |
I run 30/44 or 30/40 depending on my mood. Either works well. Hope this Christmas is your best ever with more to come in the New Year.
The old tires were 2008 vintage so this will be a good improvement. A friend of mine, the one I remanufactured the Ferrari Dino engine for many years ago when I was working as a machinist, did a full restoration on his Dino at that time. Fun car to drive. He took it out for the first spin around Santa Rosa. Doing 80 mph testing how it felt, the right front tire, 15 years old, came apart and tore off the right front fender. So I am happy to be on younger tires again. _________________
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 23536 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2025 9:57 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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| Bobs67vwagen wrote: |
Here is a photo of a 40 plus year old Michelin xzx that has been on my bug for many years, including the last 10 in hobernation.i would not drive on it anymore but look at the condition of the rubber. They do not make tires of this quality anymore.
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They still do, can get them from the local tyre shop here in france... |
There are several places you can buy these in the USA.
I had some questions about them that I have not been able to have answered even looking across numerous Euro car forums.
1. Are they EXACT same rubber formulations and quality as the old ones?...if so...as good as they were 45+ years ago...that "technology" is far less than average tires today. This is not saying they are bad tires at all. Just that you will be running among cars that have far better rubber compund and tread technology and ABS systems....and worse drivers than you are.
2. Along side of what i said above....the Tire rack and Coker tires carry them. But, looking at the tire rack ratings of this tire....
S-rated...thats good up to 112 mph but UTQG ratings:
Treadwear: 240 (pretty low but many times that can mean "sticky which is good) thats ok but these days about 400 is a "good" tire. 600 is a great tire wear wise but possibly too hard for winter temps.
Traction: A....not bad....but not the very best.
Temperature: B....in the middle....just OK at handling heat.
https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=...-0QAvD_BwE
This all tells me that these are essentially the same as they were 45 years ago. Thats not bad, but 45 years on from driving on those all the time....on much better tires since then....unless you just wanted to have the classic "look"....if you are much more into survival in the modern driving world, I would look at newere tires.
Still looking for real world reviews of these classic tires.
The problem with old tires that are 10-15 years old...is not just sun and heat. They will harden up on their own even when being stored in the dark with no air in them. Rubber compounds outgas constantly through their life.
Other issues...and this is what you can get from tires where you are not careful looking at the UTQG ratings and test track ratings....most tires over the last couple of decades are made from multiple layers of rubber compounds. Many these days are made of temperature changing/sensitive compounds. As the tread wears down, you may have plenty of tread left but you are now down to a layer that does not do well in the "wet to dry" interface. It may do well on wet...and it may do well on dry....but may do terrible on the in between.
Anymore, tires that I buy (been this way for a while) need to have lots of ratings for cars similar to mineand good track ratings at Tire rack. Ray |
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HarryFD Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2025 10:03 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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I ran the Vantras for a while, they are a great tire! What pressure are you running?
I drop shit and shit goes flying all the time in my garage, I’ve lost so many small items. Then I spend the rest of the time I have left looking for them and sometimes nothing gets done, definitely frustrating. It’s nice when things go our way once and a while and it lands at your feet. |
Most days it seems to work like this
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2025 11:58 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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I ran the Vantras for a while, they are a great tire! What pressure are you running?
I drop shit and shit goes flying all the time in my garage, I’ve lost so many small items. Then I spend the rest of the time I have left looking for them and sometimes nothing gets done, definitely frustrating. It’s nice when things go our way once and a while and it lands at your feet. |
Most days it seems to work like this
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funny but true. Merry Christmas to all  _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
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mikedjames Samba Member

Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 3457 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Wed Dec 24, 2025 2:09 pm Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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I like the Goodyear 4Seasons Cargo tyres on my 185/65R15 alloys. Good wear and good grip. Only good thing to come from the EV revolution IMHO - tyres for fat and bloated cars or VW T2 Bays.. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
1974 VW T2 : Devon Eurovette camper with 1641 DP T1 engine, Progressive carb, full flow oil cooler, EDIS crank timed ignition.
Engine 1: 40k miles (rocker shaft clip fell off), Engine 2: 30k miles (rebuild, dropped valve). Engine 3: a JK Preservation Parts "new" engine, aluminium case: 26k miles: new top end.
Gearbox rebuild 2021 by Bears.
1979 Westerly GK24 24 foot racer/cruiser yacht Forethought of Gosport.
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 12:53 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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Way back in 1998 I bought a set of Avon tires for my pickup truck, only drive the truck 3000-5000 miles a year. The tires almost didn't wear so at around 60,000 miles they still had maybe 80% of their original tread and the wear was very even. At around 15 years I started taking them into the tire dealer every year to let another set of eyes look them over and the results were always the same, "can't see anything wrong with them, but we can't recommend that you continue to run them". At maybe 20 years the wear accelerated and became uneven, so I sensed the end was getting near, and one days a felt a thumping going down the road, but still couldn't see or feel anything amiss. Pulled the offending tire off and put on the spar, leaving the offending tire leaning against a tree and took off for my day's adventure.
When I came home the tire leaning against the tree had split at an angle across the tread, with the apparent cause of failure being that the steel belts had rusted on a diagonal, likely due to a small puncture letting water get under the tread. At the point of failure they would have had ~100K miles on them and they still had about 50% tread and I would gladly have bought another set of Avon tires were they available, but sadly they were not. I ended just buying a set of one year old lightly used Walmart tires and figure I will likely just change them out every 6 years or so for another set of lightly used tires.
Avon made motorcycle tires and apparently used much better compounds than the typical truck tire manufacturer does. Sadly they are no longer in business. |
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Abscate Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 5:27 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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I really only have one car that does the freeway anymore so I run old tires on the rest of the fleet , inspecting each year for cracking , tread , and alignment.
Around town is 30-40 mph tops.
I did just reseal my first rim on a good radial before I noticed it was 18 years old, and has a sidewall bulge. Put that on the back until I can swap it with tires at cottage. _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 2:29 pm Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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| HarryFD wrote: |
2 weeks ago, I drove my bus to a meeting of friends.
The roads were damp and each time I started from a stop the rear tires slipped like I was trying to do a burn out. I looked at by the tires (Nokian Hakka C) and they were barely worn. I then checked the dates. They were made in 2014!
I called my tire guy and told him what was happening. He told me I needed new tires. Sadly, the Nokian’s were no longer available. He offered a choice of Continental Vanco or General Grabbers. I opted for the grabbers.
They were installed today. My drive to the tire shop was tense due to the heavy rains. The new tires were installed and there was a noticeable improvement to the handling of my bus.
I should not have waited so long. |
I once had an old 1980 Seven Series that a friend gave to me. It had been sitting at his work lot for a few years. Tires were Pirellis, production date I don't remember. But, they were like that, even a gentle throttle from a stop, the rear tires spun with the least damp on the road. Couldn't wait to get rid of those tires.  _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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| Wildthings wrote: |
Way back in 1998 I bought a set of Avon tires for my pickup truck, only drive the truck 3000-5000 miles a year. The tires almost didn't wear so at around 60,000 miles they still had maybe 80% of their original tread and the wear was very even. At around 15 years I started taking them into the tire dealer every year to let another set of eyes look them over and the results were always the same, "can't see anything wrong with them, but we can't recommend that you continue to run them". At maybe 20 years the wear accelerated and became uneven, so I sensed the end was getting near, and one days a felt a thumping going down the road, but still couldn't see or feel anything amiss. Pulled the offending tire off and put on the spar, leaving the offending tire leaning against a tree and took off for my day's adventure.
When I came home the tire leaning against the tree had split at an angle across the tread, with the apparent cause of failure being that the steel belts had rusted on a diagonal, likely due to a small puncture letting water get under the tread. At the point of failure they would have had ~100K miles on them and they still had about 50% tread and I would gladly have bought another set of Avon tires were they available, but sadly they were not. I ended just buying a set of one year old lightly used Walmart tires and figure I will likely just change them out every 6 years or so for another set of lightly used tires.
Avon made motorcycle tires and apparently used much better compounds than the typical truck tire manufacturer does. Sadly they are no longer in business. |
I think they made the stock tires for Rolls Royce as well for many years. Those particular tires had to have a huge weight/load rating on them compared to most passenger car tires due to the curb weight of the older Rolls. If you run the wrong tires on the older Rolls Royces', it never goes well from what I hear...  _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
'67 Type 3 Fastback, my 2nd car- gone
'69 Semi-Auto Stick Shift Beetle-gone
2017 MINI Coopers, our current DDs
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42965 Location: at the beach in Northern Wokistan
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Posted: Fri Dec 26, 2025 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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because a friend had a very expensive repair and almost lost his and his son's life driving a 15 year old perfectly good looking tire that had been garaged most of its life, at 75 - 80 mph when it just disintegrated, I decided not to roll the dice on the 17 year old tires. I am good with the decision but each person has to decide for themselves. _________________
Canned Water - the new California approved parts cleaner (except in a drought in which case rub it with sand).
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Bobs67vwagen Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 27, 2025 6:05 am Post subject: Re: NEW Tires! |
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| Older steel radials seem to have a higher failure rate than the bias ply tires that preceded them. I had a car stored in the garage with steel radials and a tire exploded on the top side. You could see the steel sticking out of it. I also had several older radials where the belts seemed bent when you looked at the tread and the tread was raised in that area which could be felt as you drove the car. These modern tires do not last long. Contrast this with a story I read several years ago of a US bomber wreck from WWII found on New Guinea. The landing gear was found upside down with the tires facing the sky. The tire still held air 70 years later! Rubber compound differences now vs then? |
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