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Flipseat
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That stuff is great... I think its used for setting windshields in modern cars. I got some at NAPA -- see the above post.
It comes in a box, and is on a roll. You don't need much! I used it for sealing the overhead air box (ambo fans tho), front turn signals, and even used a little to seal the sub hatch trim to the roof.
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j.pickens
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Mr. Mangler turned me onto this stuff.
Its also great for sealing doghouse tin on your engine cooling upgrades.
The OG rubber usually is shot, and the replacement rubber is shit.
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BarryL 
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| The butyl stuff is way more aggressive than dum-dum but that could be a good thing. It is much harder to remove, sticky and time consuming wise. I'd put dum-dum between plumbers putty and butyl on the stickyness scale. |
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EverettB
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I went to Napa but didn't like the Butyl stuff. First it comes in 2 thin strips where the original stuff is one wide strip. And it seemed sort of nasty. Price at NAPA was $11. They have it at Kragen/Checker/Schuck's too in a boxed roll.
The old school guy at Checker's took one look at the original stuff and directed me to local RV/Boat place for "strip caulk". It seems like a better match and is $4/roll. I went with that.
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Plate installed:
It squeezed out a little when I installed the plate but the excess rolls right off with your finger.
I used new screws and re-tapped out all the screw holes.
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I went to Napa but didn't like the Butyl stuff. First it comes in 2 thin strips where the original stuff is one wide strip. And it seemed sort of nasty. Price at NAPA was $11. They have it at Kragen/Checker/Schuck's too in a boxed roll.
The old school guy at Checker's took one look at the original stuff and directed me to local RV/Boat place for "strip caulk". It seems like a better match and is $4/roll. I went with that.
Installed on cover:
Plate installed:
It squeezed out a little when I installed the plate but the excess rolls right off with your finger.
I used new screws and re-tapped out all the screw holes. |
Butyl is nasty stuff!. AND, it is always nasty to work with, old or new. Kind of like roofing tar (really!). Sounds like you found the "right stuff", or close to it. . |
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everett,
could you post the screw size for the screws you used in the overhead vent cover?
they look like stainless
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gatorwyatt
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the originals are also like another kind of metal, soft like lead or something. the phillips heads stripped out real easy for me anyways and i used a good screwdriver  use the stainless lowes has them
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BarryL
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| I'm 96.2% sure they are the same screws as the popout to catch screws although the window ones are chrome and the covers were cadmium. Don't know about earlies or deluxes' platings. |
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Kelly
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Just found out Sunday during our cruise that I now need 1. Friction tape 2. Seam Sealer and 3. Strip Caulk
First time in 3 years I drove the bus in the rain, it was like ancient Chineese torture with the drips hitting my head during the first half of the cruise!
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That's pretty hardcore patina. Shouldn't you have removed the rust before you installed the plate?
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VWBobby
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The OG cover seals are a little different than friction tape, but it will work. I media blasted the whole inside area, above the visors, and disassembled the flap, installed new seals, etc. I was tired of the chinese water torture! 
While you're resealing, be sure to seal the whole air vent box and any areas the factory might have missed. The water rusted out a section Above my windsheild on the driver's side. It looks like condensation gathers above the visors and rusts the pillars/windsheild frame from the inside out. Made a nice little drain hole through the roof, and runs around the windsheild seal.
I also replace the set screws and locknuts. I used Allen head set screws so they don't strip out as easily in the future.
More pics in the gallery. |
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| the originals are also like another kind of metal, soft like lead or something. the phillips heads stripped out real easy for me |
For those messed up screws, you can fix them. Put them in a vice such that the head of the screw is resting on top of the jaw and tighten the vice just enough to hold it and not mess up the threads. Next, lightly hit the head of the screw with a hammer, mashing the metal back down. Follow this by hitting a properly sized phillips screw driver in the middle to re-shape the +. You may need to go back and forth between flattening out the top and reshaping the + to get it all back right. Realize, unless you really mangle the thing, all the metal is still there.
Never throw these away (or any hardware for that mater)... if you do, stop, put them in a small envelope and either mail them to me or wait until you see me at some VW show and hand them over. 
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Kelly
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So after the rain yesterday and this thread going, I was curious as to what's goin' on behind the scenes up above. What I ended up finding was:
3 different size screws holding the cover on
which one is correct?
backside of cover needs a little treatment
you can actually see rust streaks blown up by the wind, kinda cool really but still need some POR or equivalent
and do dry desert buses look like that up there??
and this view was a first for me, also needs treatment
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3 different size screws holding the cover on
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The top screw.
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you can actually see rust streaks blown up by the wind, kinda cool really but still need some POR or equivalent
and do dry desert buses look like that up there?? |
A little bit, here's mine:
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3 different size screws holding the cover on
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The top most screw is correct/.. those screws should NOT be sheet metal screws. Some PO did a bad thing!
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man you guys are quick, didn't even have time to refill my glass of water!
so since the top screw is correct, I now know I need to find a heck of a lot more since there were only 2 of those installed, and one was pretty chewed up, both the threads and head.
also, I can now finally put this picture into perspective 
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