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Boston Bob Samba Member
Joined: December 10, 2005 Posts: 3 Location: Boston
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 1:59 pm Post subject: Cutaway 36 Hp motor |
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So I have recieved a lot of questions about this little gem, figured it was time to clear it up. Its a brand new 1951 motor that was cutapart as a display by some german model company by the name of Goff. & Co. Went from museum to show room to museum before ending out as property of Boston Engine for the last 10 years. Withuot further adiew, here are the pictures:
I got it from the museum of transportation in Brookline, and there is something about 50 years in museums rather than an engine bay that will keep these things looking pretty! Its been on loan to Bently Publishers for the last 5 years but it is time to give this thing a new home! Gonna put it up on ebay sometime soon, not sure when just yet. Need some time to get ready to see it go. Really enjoyed having it around, people always wanted to buy pieces off of it, they all look so clean and brand new, would need to point out that its a model, and taking it apart would really defeat the purpose. Not only that but that model company really had at it! They cut the fan shroud, the fuel pump, the cylinder AND the piston inside it! Anyways, the pictures show it off so much better then I can with all this rambling, so just enjoy.
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80683 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:00 pm Post subject: |
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Bob,
It has a VJU4BR8 distributor. That distributor was not used until 1954.
Is htis the same engine that I saw at Litchfield in 2007?
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Boston Bob Samba Member
Joined: December 10, 2005 Posts: 3 Location: Boston
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject: |
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How long did that take you to catch?
Very interesting, it is quite possible that a tag written in pencil on a paper tag could be incorect. We would need to check to see if there is a serial number and check to see if the part is mismatched or if the tag is incorrect.
also are the images showing up for you? I can't see them. |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 80683 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Boston Bob wrote: |
| How long did that take you to catch? |
Bob,
I restore old Bosch distributors... its the first thing I look at.
_________________ Glenn
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Boston Bob Samba Member
Joined: December 10, 2005 Posts: 3 Location: Boston
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Well it has been on loan for some time now, so they very well could have brought it. Would be very interested to know if ther was another one in the northeast, or the states for that matter! didn't notice the comment or your pictures the first time around. |
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Envious Samba Member

Joined: January 08, 2003 Posts: 1829 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Boston Bob wrote: |
| Well it has been on loan for some time now, so they very well could have brought it. Would be very interested to know if ther was another one in the northeast, or the states for that matter! didn't notice the comment or your pictures the first time around. |
My local VW dealership has one in their service bay. Every once in a while I hit them up to sell it to me. Some day they'll do it just to shut me up.  _________________ 71 Type 1302 Custom
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janerick3 Samba Member

Joined: June 04, 2006 Posts: 1907 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sat Sep 27, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Boston Bob wrote: |
| Well it has been on loan for some time now, so they very well could have brought it. Would be very interested to know if ther was another one in the northeast, or the states for that matter! didn't notice the comment or your pictures the first time around. |
Is this the ex-Ralph D. Jones display engine from Springfield, MA? Except for the coil sticker, the parts appear to be original to a 1956-58 36hp engine. _________________ Thanks,
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EverettB  Administrator

Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 72039 Location: Phoenix 602
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RichOakley Samba Member
Joined: August 30, 2004 Posts: 1123 Location: Midlands, UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 28, 2008 1:04 am Post subject: |
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Yep, that's definitely a '56/'57 engine.
Our local VW parts supplier- VW Heritage has one on display in their showroom- a '54 engine. |
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billmetric Samba Member

Joined: March 16, 2006 Posts: 1062 Location: Columbus City USA
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:49 am Post subject: |
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looks like a mish-mosh of parts put together in the later '50s, the intake looks like one of those rare 90 degree bend '53-'54 ones, I have seen a few of these sell on e-bay over the years, very cool display piece, my dad used to have a 1940s Gravely single cylinder self propelled walk behind lawn mower at his mower dealership cut down like that, I used to spend hours looking at it , it had a hand crank to turn it over and you could watch the magneto spark the plug _________________ There is an idea of a Billmetric; some kind of abstraction. But there is no real me: only an entity, something illusory. And though I can hide my cold gaze, and you can shake my hand and feel flesh gripping yours and maybe you can even sense our lifestyles are probably comparable... I simply am not there... |
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toydude111 Samba Member

Joined: September 23, 2002 Posts: 842 Location: So.Cal.
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:56 am Post subject: |
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There aer several cut-aways here in So Cal as well. I always offer to buy them, but no one ever accepts . _________________ Do you want fries with that? |
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mcdronkz Samba Member

Joined: December 09, 2005 Posts: 446 Location: The Netherlands
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:15 am Post subject: |
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There aer several cut-aways here in So Cal as well. I always offer to buy them, but no one ever accepts . |
Make one yourself, with a cut-away gearbox and a working starter engine so you can turn it over and watch things move . |
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ZwitterND Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2005 Posts: 1453 Location: Fargo, ND
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:20 am Post subject: |
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Yikes, yea that manifold looks like the one for my zwitter, oh the humanity. I think John can fix it.  _________________ Bill |
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toydude111 Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| mcdronkz wrote: |
| toydude111 wrote: |
There aer several cut-aways here in So Cal as well. I always offer to buy them, but no one ever accepts . |
Make one yourself, with a cut-away gearbox and a working starter engine so you can turn it over and watch things move . |
I'll start collecting all the NOS pieces right away!  _________________ Do you want fries with that? |
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UZI Platinum FUBU

Joined: February 08, 2002 Posts: 13335 Location: phila-DELFT-ia
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Posted: Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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here is one i saw in europe several years ago, sorry bout the bad pic.
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vanaru Samba Member

Joined: November 02, 2005 Posts: 170 Location: Sykesville, Maryland
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 6:23 pm Post subject: one in maryland too |
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the now closed Sartwell Enterprises had one..was also seen at peek performance in teh 80's... same one i think.
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Anchovy Samba Member

Joined: August 05, 2000 Posts: 2996 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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I have seen a few of those engines come up for sale through the years. I also saw a full beetle chassis, suspension tanssaxle and motor display a few years back that sold on ebay Germany. I have a collection of batteries and individual cut-away parts; fuel pumps, carbs, coils, etc. Here are a couple of the batteries.
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johnshenry Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2001 Posts: 9418 Location: Northwood, NH USA
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:00 am Post subject: |
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| ZwitterND wrote: |
Yikes, yea that manifold looks like the one for my zwitter, oh the humanity. I think John can fix it.  |
That would be a WAY easier fix than most of them I repair...!
I agree, it is a mix of parts, but I don't see anything '51 on it. The intake is the "zwitter" one, with the thin wall, hard angle heat riser. Probably an easy part to get in the late 50s as it was inferior to the the 701Es begin used then.
Heater boxes are the '51-'57 style as Ev pointed out, I think I see the sheet metal screws in them, making them the later version of that style, probably '54 or '55 to '57.
I was just in Mark Merrill's shop this past weekend, he has one, and on a shortened, narrowed chassis so you can see the tranny and clutch and all work. It is WAY cool..... _________________ John Henry
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thom Samba Member
Joined: October 12, 2000 Posts: 6340 Location: Sacramento
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject: |
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A guy had a cutaway engine and trans FS at the last Bug-O-Rama. I was tempted, but I don't need any more crap crowding up the place. _________________ -Thom
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GeoffP Samba Member

Joined: July 14, 2002 Posts: 402 Location: Blaine WA / Vancouver
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Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2008 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Yup, at one point I think all dealers had them. Most of our local dealers had them on display, one or two still do. |
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