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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:09 am    Post subject: weber progressive distributor match Reply with quote

hello
newb here
I have a 75 beetle 1600dp that has been converted to carb 34pict3 with the dual vaccume distributor

I already have a weber progressive that i will be putting on and need to figure out which distributor to use

I dont want vaccume advance as I understand the vaccume can change with mods like exhaust

so I want centrifical

but I understand the 009 have flat spots
so

what do I get and why

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Talk to Glenn about an 010 or 019 for compatability.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your not willing to have a well heated manifold, spend time jetting/tunning the carb then it will work with 009/019/010 or even the distributor you have if the signal from the progressive id similar to the solex 34.

The 009 usually has problems when paired to the 34 pict 3.

In my opinion you have a good matched distributor and carb right now and going to the progressive and a different distributor will give you a tunning headache , possibly a bit more power but lower mpg's

Your choice Confused
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=igd0001

the good intake and matching exhaust is a MUST if you want it to work properly.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The only good match for progressives is a turbo, and the trash can.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mallory mechanical advance distributor works real well, points or Unilite model. Then at 2-1/2 time the cost of a SVDA that is something you need to discuss with your wallet.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

For a stock to mild 1600 build I would fully recommend and 019. An 010 is also a tremendous distributor, but I usually go 010 when an engine is more radical. I am also one of the few who have installed hundreds of progressive two barrel carbs on on vw engines with positive results. Either one would be a good match. If you decide on a dreaded 009, the only thing I can say is to make ABSOLUTELY SURE that it is an original Bosch 009 and no other brand or manufacturer. You are on the right track. The progressives do NOT do well with the vacuum advance distributors. That is absolutely paramount to getting the progressive fully tuned.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THANKS FOR ALL THE REPLIES

I already have the carb and standard intake for it though am waiting to put it on til I have the money for this intake

http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=FSK0028&cartid=0819200971777840

this is the one where the exhaust flows all the way up the intake instead of just the bottom

Im not mechanic but since I bought a used weber that came off a bug with same motor I beleive it ought to be jetted fine (correct me if I am wrong) and therefore it should simply (or not so simply) be a pain in the butt to tune.

I know, I have heard bad things about these carbs but to me it seems everyone says they are a pain to tune and half those people say they never got it to run right. Way I see it half those people simply never got it tuned right.

So please, don't be talkin trash about/hating my carb decision. I've made up my mind.

And by the way a basic street header and eithor dual quiet pack or hideaway is in the future as well.

I am also planning on doing a performance coil with an electronic ignition.

Right now though I am just trying to figure out which distributor to choose.
Since I understand that when you make your engine breath better example: exhaust upgrade. That can change the amount of vaccum causing you to drill out your current vaccume port or buy a smaller vaccume port depending on whethor your mod makes the motor breath better or worse.

So
with that vaccume hassle, and 009's flat spot in mind
I am trying to find a good mechanical advance distributer with minimal flat spot. or none at all if possible Confused

If anyone has any good advice let me know

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 7:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like others have said proper intake heated manifold, with proper jetting and 019 distributor will give you decent milage.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hey sturgeongeneral
I see you enjoy watching the simpsons
what about something like this
http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=165_166_171&products_id=1006
compared to the 019
keep in mind I'm a newb so my questions may seem stupid Question

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jared8783 wrote:
hey sturgeongeneral
I see you enjoy watching the simpsons
what about something like this
http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=165_166_171&products_id=1006
compared to the 019
keep in mind I'm a newb so my questions may seem stupid Question

thanks


I kinda think differently than most here. Like I said, I am a beleiver in the progressive carbs. Big improvement in performance in my book. As such, I usually pull a petronix system out of a distributor and go back to points. After a couple years of use I see them as nothing but problems and headaches. I have been using 010s since about 1975 or so and am a firm believer in their performance and longevity. And when you buy a rebuilt 010 or 019 from Glenn it is like buying a brand new one. No difference between Glenn's rebuilt or new in performance. The 010 or 019 will give you decades of proven performance. I am not familar with the Mallory units. But I personally stay away from the petronix installs.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 8:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jared, I am a staunch progressive fan, the best distributor I have found is the Mallory, yea they are pricey, but they work with out a stumble. A 009 can be made to work, the hard part is getting a good one which means finding one that was made at least twenty years ago.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok
so
its now narrowed down to 010,019, or mallory

since a complete quality rebuilt 019 or 010 is comparable in price to the Mallory then I guess I may as well get the mallory then.

unless there is a reason I should get bosch instead?

points and condenser or electronic ignition(bosch), unilite(mallory)?unsure?

I am currently leaning towards the mallory with unilite centrifical
sound good?
what do you guys think?

THANKS EVERYONE FOR THE GOOD ADVICE AND PLEASE KEEP IT COMMING
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 10:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I currently run a progressive on a mild motor(for 8 years) and have tried the 009,svda, and am now using a 019 from glenn. I love the 019. It keeps delivering smooth spark no matter how high you go on the rpm range and the engine just runs happier. I say go for the 019. Easy to install and maintain since it was offered for stock engines.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sturgeongeneral wrote:
jared8783 wrote:
hey sturgeongeneral
I see you enjoy watching the simpsons
what about something like this
http://www.chircoestore.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=165_166_171&products_id=1006
compared to the 019
keep in mind I'm a newb so my questions may seem stupid Question

thanks


I kinda think differently than most here. Like I said, I am a beleiver in the progressive carbs. Big improvement in performance in my book. As such, I usually pull a petronix system out of a distributor and go back to points. After a couple years of use I see them as nothing but problems and headaches. I have been using 010s since about 1975 or so and am a firm believer in their performance and longevity. And when you buy a rebuilt 010 or 019 from Glenn it is like buying a brand new one. No difference between Glenn's rebuilt or new in performance. The 010 or 019 will give you decades of proven performance. I am not familar with the Mallory units. But I personally stay away from the petronix installs.


Its unfortunate that there are so many myths in the vw world that wont die.
A typical one is "insert carb" is crap, its a shame that some carbs get a bad name because they are never jetted or tuned correctly or run with good manifolds, its not the carbs fault its the ignorant user.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 6:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Amen!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOL, install a carb without checking the fuel pressure, don't set the float nor clean it, have back-asskwards jetting on a non-heated intake and centrifugal only distributor, and then have the gall to say they don't work right. Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love the "I did everything you said to do but set the float level, check the fuel pressure, tune the engine and change the jets and it still will not run for crap." "What could it be?"

I have also worked my self to death on a center mount Weber DCNF and could not get it to run great until I finally switched from a new protronix equiped OO9 to a Bosch 019 distributor. WOW!

When I was in college and did not have two nickels to rub together, I ran a progressive carb from a Ford Pinto for 4 years that ran very, very nicely on a 1915 with a W120 cam.

There is something to be said about "A good combination". It is the fact that all aspects work in concert to make the complete package work nicely. That includes proper carb setup, timing, exhaust and so forth.

I will get off my "Listen Up" soapbox now.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok so with me haveing a used weber progressive that came off a bug with same motor
what tuning tips do you guys have for a newb

basically what I am asking is what all do I need to do?

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is a good starting point to tune the progressive carb:

http://www.redlineweber.com/html/Tech/carburetor_set_up_and_lean_best_.htm
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