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notchboy Samba Member

Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22681 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:57 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you to all who responded. I'm just curious about the suspension setup I would like to run. I would like it to have a nice rake and stance, but I don't want to have to replace my kidneys before end of year . I'm very interested in those dropped spindles by Bert3 I've been reading about. Anyone running those? What are they like? What do they cost? Thanks again. |
not sure on your price but I will be paying $770 AU for them. |
Any way you slice it lowering wears on you and or the car. Eventualy you will correct it It will happen. _________________
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Brian Mathe Samba Member

Joined: May 30, 2004 Posts: 168 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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I know I will be the black sheep but I have always run low so it is not a big deal. I have type 1 front beam with link pin and lowered spindles. It is slammed but actually does not ride that bad. But being low is not for the faint of heart. I have replaced my front apron twice and you have to deal with a lot of scrapes and bumps. If you keep the stock beam, just play around with it. That was a good design for adjusting and after you do it a few times, it is very easy and quick to do. Lower it, drive it, if you like the look and feel, leave it alone. _________________ 59 Kombi
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supaninja Samba Member

Joined: July 03, 2010 Posts: 4020 Location: houston
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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I know I will be the black sheep but I have always run low so it is not a big deal. I have type 1 front beam with link pin and lowered spindles. It is slammed but actually does not ride that bad. But being low is not for the faint of heart. I have replaced my front apron twice and you have to deal with a lot of scrapes and bumps. If you keep the stock beam, just play around with it. That was a good design for adjusting and after you do it a few times, it is very easy and quick to do. Lower it, drive it, if you like the look and feel, leave it alone. |
I'm not a fan of t1 beams but dammmmmmnnnnnn!!!!!! that notch looks good dude  _________________ http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/chucky1974/ninja.gif
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Brian Mathe Samba Member

Joined: May 30, 2004 Posts: 168 Location: Delaware
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks ninja, I have been following your thread for a while, I just don't post much. I am building a type IV to mate to a 901 tranny, hope to be done in a few weeks. I was never a fan of the conversion either but it is rather nice. A friend and I tried to narrow a stock beam a few years back but it was just not economical. I also am not a fan of ball joint suspension that low, if you've ever broke one, it sucks. I'll keep stealing ideas from your build, nice ride by the way. _________________ 59 Kombi
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supaninja Samba Member

Joined: July 03, 2010 Posts: 4020 Location: houston
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Erik G Samba Member

Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13584 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Tig, I am pretty sure yours is 2 inner. If you raise it 1 outer, I think you will be happy. You can use combinations too, like up one inner, and down one outer |
Thanks, and did you know the latest edition of Hot VW's has a thank you to you |
Yeah, one of my best friends cars, Yustrn here on the samba. We are all pretty proud of him. Proof that show winning magazine cars are still built in garages, without big checkbooks _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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Erik G Samba Member

Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13584 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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2 splines all round. rear handles good, front handles like a POS.
eagerly awaiting Bert's spindles  |
You must have some other worn components to take care of, because that is absolutely not normal. 2 splines should feel close to stock, and stock type 3 is good _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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vwfye Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:45 pm Post subject: |
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I'm old and still don't like the stock baja look or ride, but hey... wha do I know? It still rides better than a bug! _________________ 64 No'back Speedster "Pearl"
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soopaman Samba Member
Joined: June 26, 2010 Posts: 65
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:29 am Post subject: |
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Steal away dude
OF topic but I hope to have that gsxr throttle body setup installed next weekend, that should be interesting. |
I've also been following you build closely You're sort of a wild man COOL! I've BORROWED an idea or two from you  |
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vlad01 Samba Member

Joined: October 27, 2010 Posts: 3064 Location: Australia
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:45 am Post subject: |
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2 splines all round. rear handles good, front handles like a POS.
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You must have some other worn components to take care of, because that is absolutely not normal. 2 splines should feel close to stock, and stock type 3 is good |
yes I know something is wrong. I don't know what the PO did to it as it seems to bind up and down movements. Front right arms was on 3 splines and the other 3 corners were on 2 splines.
I took all components apart and looked, no damage or wear. seems the bottom arms of the front beam are too tight. dried up grease?
0-44,000 miles from 1972 - 1984
mean while, car sitting all this time.
44,000 - 46,000 from 2008-2010.
so yeah not much mileage for wear to occur. |
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eschmidt14 Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2008 Posts: 124 Location: Nassau Bay, TX
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:43 am Post subject: |
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| i know people talk bad about type 1 beam but honestly i think the 4"narrow beam i had in my old notch rode better than the type3 and it was a ball joint i could only imagine how much better it would have rode with a link/king pin and i had to cut the shock towers off for clearance issues so with shocks it would have rode better.im am sold on the type 1 conv. when i get my 57 lowlight on the road im going to get an earlie fastback and do a 4" type1 conv. with no regreats cause ive actually done it and rode in it and its definately better but you know us americans we like to talk trash and bash about stuff that we dont know or understand. |
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Erik G Samba Member

Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13584 Location: Tejas!
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:59 am Post subject: |
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again, you had something wrong with your type3 front end then. I've been around a long long time, and have had many type 1's and many type 3's, dropped and stock. Sometimes potentially lowest type 3 without bags low. A type 3 front end rides better hands down, as long as everything is in good shape. It's worlds away different.
I'm all cool with people putting T1 beams in, bags, narrowed, stock etc. Your car, whatever works for you is how it should be done. But lets not confuse the situation. A worn out front end no matter what type, would be worse then a nice new narrowed one with all new compnents. A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long, and I've never seen anyone argue against that point. Anything else is like someone arguing that a superbeetle is the best ever - just because that's what's in their garage _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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eschmidt14 Samba Member
Joined: March 01, 2008 Posts: 124 Location: Nassau Bay, TX
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:42 am Post subject: |
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| Erik i understand what youre saying about the type3 ride i used to say that there the best out of all the aircooled vws but now i know what i know by experiance its not the same as having a narrow beam in a bug i dont know if its the weight of the car or what but im telling you it rode very well maybe im looking at it as the ride height with the type 1 conv. i was about 3-4" lower than my stock beam which was dropped 4 outer and my type3 beam which is for sale super cheap on here has brand new german bearings and ball joints and tie rod ends so my beam was in perfect order every body wants to compare it to a bug cause thats all they know but im telling everyone again by experiance it rides better maybe its the quality of the beam by king-tuk experiance speaks for itself but opinons are just that opinons |
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supaninja Samba Member

Joined: July 03, 2010 Posts: 4020 Location: houston
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:00 am Post subject: |
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again, you had something wrong with your type3 front end then. I've been around a long long time, and have had many type 1's and many type 3's, dropped and stock. Sometimes potentially lowest type 3 without bags low. A type 3 front end rides better hands down, as long as everything is in good shape. It's worlds away different.
I'm all cool with people putting T1 beams in, bags, narrowed, stock etc. Your car, whatever works for you is how it should be done. But lets not confuse the situation. A worn out front end no matter what type, would be worse then a nice new narrowed one with all new compnents. A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long, and I've never seen anyone argue against that point. Anything else is like someone arguing that a superbeetle is the best ever - just because that's what's in their garage |
I've driven Eliot's notch (this month's calendar girl, giggity), it's a little lower then mine is right now...the ride quality is perfect. The beam has been rebuilt with ISP's bushings, I am sure that has a lot to do with it. _________________ http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y163/chucky1974/ninja.gif
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supaninja Samba Member

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luckystiff Samba Member
Joined: September 28, 2005 Posts: 2252 Location: hickory,nc
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:05 am Post subject: |
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again, you had something wrong with your type3 front end then. I've been around a long long time, and have had many type 1's and many type 3's, dropped and stock. Sometimes potentially lowest type 3 without bags low. A type 3 front end rides better hands down, as long as everything is in good shape. It's worlds away different.
I'm all cool with people putting T1 beams in, bags, narrowed, stock etc. Your car, whatever works for you is how it should be done. But lets not confuse the situation. A worn out front end no matter what type, would be worse then a nice new narrowed one with all new compnents. A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long, and I've never seen anyone argue against that point. Anything else is like someone arguing that a superbeetle is the best ever - just because that's what's in their garage |
ok i'll start with the funniest part of the quote. explain how the stock type3 will OUT BRAKE the t1 conversion set up in my car right now. that'd be REALLY hard since IT'S THE TYPE3 BRAKES that were there before. did they get worse simply from being put on a t1 dropped spindle? literally i reused my rotors, calipers, brake hoses, fuck i didn't even have to bleed the brakes when i was done. as far as comfortable it's a lowered car. i'd really say it's a marginally noticeable difference between the two. i could hit a plus or minus for either depending on certain merits. handling well i've yet to do a bang up alignment and theres some other fine tuning i need to do as i haven't put alot of mileage on the car since the swap, it's down for paint work now. i have played with "pre-loading" the adjusters against each other a little so far and it does make some difference. the one thing i think could maybe make a little difference is a nice sway bar. i've got someone working on this theory now. probably won't be seen for a while but it's in the thinking stage at least.
really it's a personal perogative. wanted my car to sit a certain way. no bags, no hitting bottom beam mounts. i drove the car 4 splines drop up front for years. was it a big issue no...ken.... _________________ ITMC
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Bobnotch Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 23558 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:07 am Post subject: |
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Mine's not down nearly as much as some of the others here, but then the roads around here aren't condusive for driving a really lowered car either, as we have frost heaves, piss poor road rebuilding, pot holes big enough to swallow a large child, and construction zones almost everywhere in Michigan.
Here's a pic of my 65 Notch.
It's down 2 inner splines up front, along with the factory (41 year old) sag in the rear (it's on a 70 pan). It's running 195-60-15's up front, with 205-70-15's in the rear. It doesn't beat you up, and it makes a nice comfortable long distance cruizer. I drove it last summer to and from the T-3 Invasion (about 2000 miles 1 way). In fact, I drove it for over 16 hours straight coming back from Carthage Mo, and I wasn't even wore out from being on the road that long.  _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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soopaman Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:30 pm Post subject: |
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WoW!....I had no idea this was such a sensitive subject. Just to clarify a few things. I'm new to all this and was just looking for information on the ride quality of a lowered type3 fastback. I do not plan on performing any beam conversions (...yet!). I am interested in the dropped spindles for the type3 I've read about. If anyone can provide information about the company that manufactures them, it would be greatly appreciated.  |
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squaretobehip Samba Member

Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 4069 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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WoW!....I had no idea this was such a sensitive subject. Just to clarify a few things. I'm new to all this and was just looking for information on the ride quality of a lowered type3 fastback. I do not plan on performing any beam conversions (...yet!). I am interested in the dropped spindles for the type3 I've read about. If anyone can provide information about the company that manufactures them, it would be greatly appreciated.  |
Oldspeed in Paramount, CA can make you some for about $300 + a core charge if you don't send in your old spindles. _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
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Erik G Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 1:50 pm Post subject: |
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again, you had something wrong with your type3 front end then. I've been around a long long time, and have had many type 1's and many type 3's, dropped and stock. Sometimes potentially lowest type 3 without bags low. A type 3 front end rides better hands down, as long as everything is in good shape. It's worlds away different.
I'm all cool with people putting T1 beams in, bags, narrowed, stock etc. Your car, whatever works for you is how it should be done. But lets not confuse the situation. A worn out front end no matter what type, would be worse then a nice new narrowed one with all new compnents. , and I've never seen anyone argue against that point. A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long Anything else is like someone arguing that a superbeetle is the best ever - just because that's what's in their garage |
ok i'll start with the funniest part of the quote. explain how the stock type3 will OUT BRAKE the t1 conversion set up in my car right now. that'd be REALLY hard since IT'S THE TYPE3 BRAKES that were there before. did they get worse simply from being put on a t1 dropped spindle? literally i reused my rotors, calipers, brake hoses, fuck i didn't even have to bleed the brakes when i was done..... |
I said A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long. I didn't say a word about your conversion, how would I know what brakes YOU used? Dont put your twisted words in my mouth, I don't like the way they taste _________________ Stop dead photo links! Post your photos to The Samba Gallery! |
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