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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 6:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thank you to all who responded. I'm just curious about the suspension setup I would like to run. I would like it to have a nice rake and stance, but I don't want to have to replace my kidneys before end of year Smile . I'm very interested in those dropped spindles by Bert3 I've been reading about. Anyone running those? What are they like? What do they cost? Thanks again.


not sure on your price but I will be paying $770 AU for them.


Any way you slice it lowering wears on you and or the car. Eventualy you will correct it Wink It will happen.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know I will be the black sheep but I have always run low so it is not a big deal. I have type 1 front beam with link pin and lowered spindles. It is slammed but actually does not ride that bad. But being low is not for the faint of heart. I have replaced my front apron twice and you have to deal with a lot of scrapes and bumps. If you keep the stock beam, just play around with it. That was a good design for adjusting and after you do it a few times, it is very easy and quick to do. Lower it, drive it, if you like the look and feel, leave it alone.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I know I will be the black sheep but I have always run low so it is not a big deal. I have type 1 front beam with link pin and lowered spindles. It is slammed but actually does not ride that bad. But being low is not for the faint of heart. I have replaced my front apron twice and you have to deal with a lot of scrapes and bumps. If you keep the stock beam, just play around with it. That was a good design for adjusting and after you do it a few times, it is very easy and quick to do. Lower it, drive it, if you like the look and feel, leave it alone.


I'm not a fan of t1 beams but dammmmmmnnnnnn!!!!!! that notch looks good dude Shocked
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks ninja, I have been following your thread for a while, I just don't post much. I am building a type IV to mate to a 901 tranny, hope to be done in a few weeks. I was never a fan of the conversion either but it is rather nice. A friend and I tried to narrow a stock beam a few years back but it was just not economical. I also am not a fan of ball joint suspension that low, if you've ever broke one, it sucks. I'll keep stealing ideas from your build, nice ride by the way.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steal away dude Very Happy

OF topic but I hope to have that gsxr throttle body setup installed next weekend, that should be interesting.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Tig, I am pretty sure yours is 2 inner. If you raise it 1 outer, I think you will be happy. You can use combinations too, like up one inner, and down one outer

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2 splines all round. rear handles good, front handles like a POS.

eagerly awaiting Bert's spindles Confused


You must have some other worn components to take care of, because that is absolutely not normal. 2 splines should feel close to stock, and stock type 3 is good
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 16, 2011 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm old and still don't like the stock baja look or ride, but hey... wha do I know? It still rides better than a bug!
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Steal away dude Very Happy

OF topic but I hope to have that gsxr throttle body setup installed next weekend, that should be interesting.


I've also been following you build closely Very Happy You're sort of a wild man Laughing COOL! I've BORROWED an idea or two from you Smile
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 12:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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2 splines all round. rear handles good, front handles like a POS.

eagerly awaiting Bert's spindles Confused


You must have some other worn components to take care of, because that is absolutely not normal. 2 splines should feel close to stock, and stock type 3 is good


yes I know something is wrong. I don't know what the PO did to it as it seems to bind up and down movements. Front right arms was on 3 splines and the other 3 corners were on 2 splines.

I took all components apart and looked, no damage or wear. seems the bottom arms of the front beam are too tight. dried up grease?

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so yeah not much mileage for wear to occur.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know people talk bad about type 1 beam but honestly i think the 4"narrow beam i had in my old notch rode better than the type3 and it was a ball joint i could only imagine how much better it would have rode with a link/king pin and i had to cut the shock towers off for clearance issues so with shocks it would have rode better.im am sold on the type 1 conv. when i get my 57 lowlight on the road im going to get an earlie fastback and do a 4" type1 conv. with no regreats cause ive actually done it and rode in it and its definately better but you know us americans we like to talk trash and bash about stuff that we dont know or understand.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 8:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

again, you had something wrong with your type3 front end then. I've been around a long long time, and have had many type 1's and many type 3's, dropped and stock. Sometimes potentially lowest type 3 without bags low. A type 3 front end rides better hands down, as long as everything is in good shape. It's worlds away different.

I'm all cool with people putting T1 beams in, bags, narrowed, stock etc. Your car, whatever works for you is how it should be done. But lets not confuse the situation. A worn out front end no matter what type, would be worse then a nice new narrowed one with all new compnents. A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long, and I've never seen anyone argue against that point. Anything else is like someone arguing that a superbeetle is the best ever - just because that's what's in their garage
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 9:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Erik i understand what youre saying about the type3 ride i used to say that there the best out of all the aircooled vws but now i know what i know by experiance its not the same as having a narrow beam in a bug i dont know if its the weight of the car or what but im telling you it rode very well maybe im looking at it as the ride height with the type 1 conv. i was about 3-4" lower than my stock beam which was dropped 4 outer and my type3 beam which is for sale super cheap on here has brand new german bearings and ball joints and tie rod ends so my beam was in perfect order every body wants to compare it to a bug cause thats all they know but im telling everyone again by experiance it rides better maybe its the quality of the beam by king-tuk experiance speaks for itself but opinons are just that opinons
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again, you had something wrong with your type3 front end then. I've been around a long long time, and have had many type 1's and many type 3's, dropped and stock. Sometimes potentially lowest type 3 without bags low. A type 3 front end rides better hands down, as long as everything is in good shape. It's worlds away different.

I'm all cool with people putting T1 beams in, bags, narrowed, stock etc. Your car, whatever works for you is how it should be done. But lets not confuse the situation. A worn out front end no matter what type, would be worse then a nice new narrowed one with all new compnents. A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long, and I've never seen anyone argue against that point. Anything else is like someone arguing that a superbeetle is the best ever - just because that's what's in their garage


I've driven Eliot's notch (this month's calendar girl, giggity), it's a little lower then mine is right now...the ride quality is perfect. The beam has been rebuilt with ISP's bushings, I am sure that has a lot to do with it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 10:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Steal away dude Very Happy

OF topic but I hope to have that gsxr throttle body setup installed next weekend, that should be interesting.


I've also been following you build closely Very Happy You're sort of a wild man Laughing COOL! I've BORROWED an idea or two from you Smile



Muahahahaha, wild man I like that. I just see things a little more differently then most Twisted Evil
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 17, 2011 11:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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again, you had something wrong with your type3 front end then. I've been around a long long time, and have had many type 1's and many type 3's, dropped and stock. Sometimes potentially lowest type 3 without bags low. A type 3 front end rides better hands down, as long as everything is in good shape. It's worlds away different.

I'm all cool with people putting T1 beams in, bags, narrowed, stock etc. Your car, whatever works for you is how it should be done. But lets not confuse the situation. A worn out front end no matter what type, would be worse then a nice new narrowed one with all new compnents. A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long, and I've never seen anyone argue against that point. Anything else is like someone arguing that a superbeetle is the best ever - just because that's what's in their garage


ok i'll start with the funniest part of the quote. explain how the stock type3 will OUT BRAKE the t1 conversion set up in my car right now. that'd be REALLY hard since IT'S THE TYPE3 BRAKES that were there before. did they get worse simply from being put on a t1 dropped spindle? literally i reused my rotors, calipers, brake hoses, fuck i didn't even have to bleed the brakes when i was done. as far as comfortable it's a lowered car. i'd really say it's a marginally noticeable difference between the two. i could hit a plus or minus for either depending on certain merits. handling well i've yet to do a bang up alignment and theres some other fine tuning i need to do as i haven't put alot of mileage on the car since the swap, it's down for paint work now. i have played with "pre-loading" the adjusters against each other a little so far and it does make some difference. the one thing i think could maybe make a little difference is a nice sway bar. i've got someone working on this theory now. probably won't be seen for a while but it's in the thinking stage at least.

really it's a personal perogative. wanted my car to sit a certain way. no bags, no hitting bottom beam mounts. i drove the car 4 splines drop up front for years. was it a big issue no...ken....
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Mine's not down nearly as much as some of the others here, but then the roads around here aren't condusive for driving a really lowered car either, as we have frost heaves, piss poor road rebuilding, pot holes big enough to swallow a large child, and construction zones almost everywhere in Michigan. Shocked
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It's down 2 inner splines up front, along with the factory (41 year old) sag in the rear (it's on a 70 pan). It's running 195-60-15's up front, with 205-70-15's in the rear. It doesn't beat you up, and it makes a nice comfortable long distance cruizer. I drove it last summer to and from the T-3 Invasion (about 2000 miles 1 way). In fact, I drove it for over 16 hours straight coming back from Carthage Mo, and I wasn't even wore out from being on the road that long. Cool
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WoW!....I had no idea this was such a sensitive subject. Just to clarify a few things. I'm new to all this and was just looking for information on the ride quality of a lowered type3 fastback. I do not plan on performing any beam conversions (...yet!). I am interested in the dropped spindles for the type3 I've read about. If anyone can provide information about the company that manufactures them, it would be greatly appreciated. Very Happy
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soopaman wrote:
WoW!....I had no idea this was such a sensitive subject. Just to clarify a few things. I'm new to all this and was just looking for information on the ride quality of a lowered type3 fastback. I do not plan on performing any beam conversions (...yet!). I am interested in the dropped spindles for the type3 I've read about. If anyone can provide information about the company that manufactures them, it would be greatly appreciated. Very Happy


Oldspeed in Paramount, CA can make you some for about $300 + a core charge if you don't send in your old spindles.
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again, you had something wrong with your type3 front end then. I've been around a long long time, and have had many type 1's and many type 3's, dropped and stock. Sometimes potentially lowest type 3 without bags low. A type 3 front end rides better hands down, as long as everything is in good shape. It's worlds away different.

I'm all cool with people putting T1 beams in, bags, narrowed, stock etc. Your car, whatever works for you is how it should be done. But lets not confuse the situation. A worn out front end no matter what type, would be worse then a nice new narrowed one with all new compnents. , and I've never seen anyone argue against that point. A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long Anything else is like someone arguing that a superbeetle is the best ever - just because that's what's in their garage


ok i'll start with the funniest part of the quote. explain how the stock type3 will OUT BRAKE the t1 conversion set up in my car right now. that'd be REALLY hard since IT'S THE TYPE3 BRAKES that were there before. did they get worse simply from being put on a t1 dropped spindle? literally i reused my rotors, calipers, brake hoses, fuck i didn't even have to bleed the brakes when i was done.....


I said A type 3 will out handle, out brake, and be more comfertible than a type 1 all day long. I didn't say a word about your conversion, how would I know what brakes YOU used? Dont put your twisted words in my mouth, I don't like the way they taste
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