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BoneStock67 Samba Member

Joined: January 27, 2006 Posts: 439 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 4:43 am Post subject: |
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That Daniel Stern lighting article cited by Fuzzy Math made a lot of sense to me. Basil Bomb's objection that a "blue filter" filters out blue light is a question of semantics: in common parlance a "blue filter" is one that appears blue to the eye (i.e., largely filters out everything BUT blue), not one that filters out blue.
Also, if you read to the bottom of the article, it says that Sylvania SilverStars are not the same product as Osram SilverStars, even though Osram now owns Sylvania. Osram Silverstars = very good; Sylvania Silverstars = very bad.
From my own experience with the Sylvania Silverstars on my wife's car, I can believe Stern's claim that Sylvania ups the wattage to compensate for loss of light from the blue filter, thus causing premature burnout. Our burnout rate seems to be once per nine months on these. I had already decided to try another bulb on the next burnout. Now, thanks to Fuzzy Math's citation, I will definitely try the Osrams.
And maybe, someday, when I finally find a vanagon, I'll put them on that vehicle too. _________________ 1986 Wolfsburg Westfalia Weekender 2.1L stock
1967 Beetle, now becoming my daily driver again, after a long rest in the garage
"There are two possible outcomes: if the result confirms the hypothesis, then you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the hypothesis, then you've made a discovery.” -Enrico Fermi |
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Olydoug Samba Member
Joined: January 08, 2007 Posts: 27 Location: Olympia, WA
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 7:26 am Post subject: |
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I've been having trouble with silverstars on my non vanagon too. We have a 04 GTI 1.8t and I go thru the silverstars about once every 4-6 months. problem is I can't justify spending 60 bucks on PIAAs when the silverstars are only 20. |
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tencentlife Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2006 Posts: 10147 Location: Abiquiu, NM, USA
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:03 am Post subject: |
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In 18 months you can. |
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buggnuttz Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2006 Posts: 404 Location: southern cheeseland
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:11 am Post subject: |
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Start with the relays then make changes to the bulbs. You will be pleased with the results. I added relays and upgraded to 80/100 H4 lights on my 85 ,it's actually fun to drive at night now _________________ owned 39 different VWs so far |
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BoneStock67 Samba Member

Joined: January 27, 2006 Posts: 439 Location: New Jersey
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Posted: Fri Apr 06, 2007 11:24 am Post subject: |
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Ha. I was about to make the same comment, TenCent.
By the way, the same Daniel Stern article also blacklists at least some of the PIAAs, asserting that they have the same blue coating, but don't raise the wattage, so that they're dimmer (but they do last longer). The best of the best are, according to him:
Narva RangePower+50 and RangePower+30, GE Night Hawk, and Philips Vision Plus, and Osram Silver Star. _________________ 1986 Wolfsburg Westfalia Weekender 2.1L stock
1967 Beetle, now becoming my daily driver again, after a long rest in the garage
"There are two possible outcomes: if the result confirms the hypothesis, then you've made a measurement. If the result is contrary to the hypothesis, then you've made a discovery.” -Enrico Fermi |
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TroySmith80 Samba Member

Joined: October 09, 2008 Posts: 272 Location: Bend, OR
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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** Edited ** My description of the problem was not accurate because it was daytime and i didn't check that both headlights were doing the same thing. The left HL is behaving differently than the right HL now.
I'll do some more diagnostic now and post back again. _________________ 1984 Westfalia Wolfsburg - 2.5L Subaru - Sold - Preparing to move to the dark side (4x4 Ford van)
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TroySmith80 Samba Member

Joined: October 09, 2008 Posts: 272 Location: Bend, OR
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:53 pm Post subject: |
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I cut the white wire, and the yellow/Blk wire. I have an '84 wolfsburg camper. Those ARE the correct wires, right?
PS - on a side note, what is the conductivity of a spade conductor? I'm curious if there's even a benefit of using wire larger than 14 guage or so, with a spade connector. Obviously if you use some monstrously huge wire, then terminate it with a spade, it's really of no use to use a wire that large. What is the largest wire that makes sense with a spade connector? _________________ 1984 Westfalia Wolfsburg - 2.5L Subaru - Sold - Preparing to move to the dark side (4x4 Ford van) |
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TroySmith80 Samba Member

Joined: October 09, 2008 Posts: 272 Location: Bend, OR
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Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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OK, it seems that what is happening is that the drivers side HL is on any time the key is on. I can't be sure whether it's on hi or lo beam. The passenger side HL behaves properly.
I can't understand what would cause this, based on the things that i've touched/changed. I haven't messed with anything that is specific to just one or the other side headlight. _________________ 1984 Westfalia Wolfsburg - 2.5L Subaru - Sold - Preparing to move to the dark side (4x4 Ford van) |
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TroySmith80 Samba Member

Joined: October 09, 2008 Posts: 272 Location: Bend, OR
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:44 am Post subject: |
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anybody know why the left side light is different than the right side? _________________ 1984 Westfalia Wolfsburg - 2.5L Subaru - Sold - Preparing to move to the dark side (4x4 Ford van) |
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brianu Samba Member

Joined: August 27, 2009 Posts: 56 Location: Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:03 pm Post subject: |
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It sounds like the left side is not being switched any more where the right side is. Double check your wiring and make sure that both relays connect back to the dash switch on relay pin 86 _________________ 1985 Vanagon GL Westfalia - Bronze Beige Metallic - Engine: 1990 Subaru EJ22 - GoWesty Syncro liftkit - Poptop Struts - 135AH of house batteries |
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noganav Samba Member
Joined: January 06, 2006 Posts: 1236 Location: San Diego CA
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 6:53 pm Post subject: |
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Terry Kay wrote: |
I'm not sure about this "Blue Light" thing.
When I got the adequate voltage to the headlamp sockets, and installed 80/100's in the main beams, and 100's in the high, the pavement out in front of my Vans beacame whiter & brighter.
I wondered where the yellow went---
I like the idea of having the relays clipped into the top of the fuse box as the accessory relays are mounted stock outa the box.
It just a neater installation.
But that's just me.
I hate rattles that you wonder where in the heck they are coming from. |
Seems like there should be a way to have posts from vendors advertising in the forums removed. Hard to see any actual content in these postings as per usual. But wait, maybe he's trying to sell something... |
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EL31415 Samba Member

Joined: December 13, 2009 Posts: 192 Location: Los Angeles
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 10:08 am Post subject: |
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What AMP fuse do you use on the upgraded headlight ?
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jacob. Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:25 am Post subject: |
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EL31415 wrote: |
What AMP fuse do you use on the upgraded headlight ?
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You replace the two 10amp fuses with 20amp fuses. _________________
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K58 Samba Member
Joined: July 01, 2006 Posts: 1173 Location: Santa Barbara
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Posted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 11:40 am Post subject: Re: let there be light |
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RCB wrote: |
I saw a TV commercial for the Osram Sylvania Halogen headlights.
Any opinions on them? Mines an 82 A/C Westy and Im looking for a little more light up front.
Im not interested in the conversion upgrades, just some more light.
Do they draw the same amount of juice and do they run as "cool" as the 12volt originals?
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TV commercial = 1-10% truth
don't waste your time looking for "brighter" bulbs...do a wiring upgrade and get some higher wattage german bulbs
here
DONE!
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thatvwbusguy Samba Member

Joined: April 18, 2007 Posts: 1712 Location: Newmarket, New Hampshire
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 5:05 pm Post subject: |
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The correct fuse depends on the wattage of the bulbs you are running. Just divide the total watts of your bulbs by 12 and you have the correct fuse amperage. (A=W/V)
Remember that each headlight has its own fuse, so you would only need the 20A fuse in the high beam locations if you are running 80/100W mains and 100W highs with the 4 light stock rectangular setup (or SA Grill). The low beams can use a 15A fuse.
Always be sure to run the lowest rated fuse possible so it can do its job and save your wiring in the event of a short circuit. |
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Santana Samba Member

Joined: March 18, 2008 Posts: 146 Location: T-Town, WA
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Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2010 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: let there be light |
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RCB wrote: |
don't waste your time looking for "brighter" bulbs...do a wiring upgrade and get some higher wattage german bulbs
here
DONE! |
I'd have to agree with this. I originally put some siverstars in and they were an improvement over the originals. Then I did the relays and brighter bulbs and there is simply no comparison. _________________ PHOTO GALLERY |
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rubbachicken Samba Member

Joined: October 05, 2004 Posts: 3058 Location: socal
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Posted: Tue Nov 08, 2011 3:58 am Post subject: |
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fuzzymath wrote: |
Ok, all done. I spent approximately $20 and about an hour and a half running to various shops and installing.
I am going to write a very straightforward how-to with without any unnecessary information. This tech is for '86 and up Vanagons. AFAIK the earlier models require a different procedure.
Here is a list of what you will need: Everything can be found at Schuck's Auto Supply, Kragen, Auto Zone, or the like.
- (2) 30amp relays. These are either found with all of the electrical stuff or by the off-road light stuff. They will be around $6 each. Make sure that on the back they have terminals that say "30", "85", "86", and "87". They probably will have two "87" terminals on the back but sometimes don't. It's OK if they only have one "87" terminal because you only need one.
- A foot of #12 gauge and two feet of #14 gauge. You can probably get away with using #12 for everything if you want but don't skimp and only use #14. Any color, doesn't matter.
- (16) 1/4" female spade connectors(blue) Just buy the #14-#16 gauge size because they will work on #12 gauge wire as well. Definitely buy the ones that cover the exposed metal so they don't spark off on anything.
- Crimpers/strippers/snippers
- Some of those tiny zip ties
Ok, so here is the easiest way to go about it:
1) Cut two lengths of the #12 gauge wire to 6". Put the female spade connectors on the ends of each wire.
2) Cut two lengths of #14 gauge wire to 12". Put the female spade connectors on all the ends of these as well.
3) Look at the back of your new relays. Put the 6" wires on the "30" terminals and the 12" wires on the "85" terminals. Just so you know, at no point do you ever connect wires from one relay to the other. They are totally separate.
4) Disconnect the negative battery cable.
5) Remove the fuse box cover and take out the two screws on the bottom edge holding the fuses in place.
6) Pull the jumble of wires toward you and try to find the two big, fat red wires that plug into the corner of the back of the fuse box. See all of the unused terminals that they are plugged in next to? Plug each of your 6" wires into a free terminal. Those are the positive terminals.
7) Now look above the fuse box and you will see to your upper left a bunch of free terminals that are connected to the chassis. Those are the negative grounds. Plug each of the 12" wires to a free terminal up there.
8 ) Now take the plastic cover off your steering column. There are some screws holding it together.
9) Coming out of your turn-signal/high beam switch are some wires. They will be covered in a sheathing. Follow the big, fat yellow and white wires out of there down to where they meet the fuse box. Clip the zip ties if you need to to free up those wires.
10) Ok, now we are only going to focus on the white wire for now. Clip the wire around 6-7" inches up from where it meets the fuse box. Put female spade connectors on each of the new ends.
11) Pick one relay... that is now the dedicated white relay. Connect the white wire that comes down from the blinker/high beam switch to the "86" terminal on the white relay. Connect the white wire up from the fuse box to the "87" terminal on the white relay.
12) OK, now for the other relay...the yellow relay. Do the same thing that you just did with the white wires to the yellow wire. The yellow wire down from the blinker/high beam switch goes to the "86" and the yellow wire up from the fuses to the "87".
13) Put the screws back into the fuse box and reconnect the cable on your battery because you are done. I just stuffed my relays up in there. You might want to use some 3M brand VHB tape to adhere your relays somewhere or utilize the screw tab that are sometimes molded into the relay casing.
Enjoy your much brighter headlights.
P.S. You might have to move up a fuse size if you put in higher wattage headlights. |
#10 #11 and #12
i fitted my relays yesterday without clipping the yellow or white wires
i traced them back to the fuse board, pulled them out, attached them to terminals #86, then took a wire from #87 to it's original place in the fuse board, a couple less connectors in the circuit
_________________ lucy our westy
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thatvwbusguy Samba Member

Joined: April 18, 2007 Posts: 1712 Location: Newmarket, New Hampshire
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2011 1:48 am Post subject: |
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Easy to do the relay addition without cutting any wires in a 80-85 van. Just be careful to make sure the connectors are insulated if they might bump into anything that could cause them to ground.
For the 86-91 fuse block it is common practice to use butt connectors and install the relays inline unless you have a molex removal tool and access to the proper sized pins. _________________ Jay Brown
'85 Zetec Westfalia
Newmarket, NH
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phlogiston Samba Member

Joined: March 30, 2009 Posts: 336 Location: seattle
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Posted: Thu Nov 10, 2011 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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i got a little carried away and redid the entirety of the headlight wiring. i already had some hefty 2 gauge from my alternator to the jump seat, so i put the relays there, ran new circuits to the headlights, put in new grounds and new connectors.
that's one 12 gauge circuit for each bulb (well ok, the 2 high beam bulbs on each side share a circuit). one relay each for low beams, left high, right high, and and driving lights.
has anyone tried running 130W H3 bulbs in the stock high beam enclosures? i've got some in there now, but i'm a little concerned about how hot they are getting.
the driving lights just showed up last night... i think once i put them in i will look at this all and think i went a little overboard! |
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vanagonjr Samba Member

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