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earlywesty
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 Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:40 am Post subject: Can't get reverse - tried all adjustments! |
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I have a 58 bus that I have just installed a rebuilt end to end big nut tunnel transmission in to using a Concept 1 adapter. I cannot quite get reverse no matter how I adjust the shifter. When running and I let clutch out I get the 'whirring/grinding' noise as though its almost in gear but now quite... I am confident I have tried everything possible up front with the shifter and plate, and everything is installed correctly. The C1 Adapter does move everything back slightly and I am wondering if that may be part of it. I had to slot the holes on the tranny carrier to get it all bolted up, but from what I have read about the adapter, that is somewhat normal. The shift coupler is tight and the screws are correctly seated in the dimples in hockey stick and rear shift rod and all '58 bushings are in place and greased well.
Some more info: Transmission sat unused, but rebuilt with oil in it for about 8 - 10 years. I just installed it and ran into this problem...
Found this thread and am suspecting I may have the same issue:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=468089 |
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earlywesty
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:00 am Post subject: |
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Further to this what do I need to do to try and get reverse by moving the rear shift coupler? I'd like to rule out the shifter system all together before assuming I have an internal transmission/reverse selector problem...
Any suggestion on how to engage reverse without the shifter? |
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G-wood Todd
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 9:50 am Post subject: |
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| buseric wrote: |
Further to this what do I need to do to try and get reverse by moving the rear shift coupler? I'd like to rule out the shifter system all together before assuming I have an internal transmission/reverse selector problem...
Any suggestion on how to engage reverse without the shifter? |
Yes. Shift it by hand at the hockey stick to eliminate linkage. You will turn the hockey stick all the way left and all the way forward. This should give you reverse. |
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LJay
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try what g said,you should hear a loud deep click when reverse is selected
i tell this to everyone but i once fitted a straight axle kit to my 60'split and the nose cone had a filler plug in it that was too long and fouling the shifter inside the box preventing reverse to be selected,i shaved it down with a file-just another thing to check 
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G-wood Todd
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:04 am Post subject: |
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| G-wood Todd wrote: |
| buseric wrote: |
Further to this what do I need to do to try and get reverse by moving the rear shift coupler? I'd like to rule out the shifter system all together before assuming I have an internal transmission/reverse selector problem...
Any suggestion on how to engage reverse without the shifter? |
Yes. Shift it by hand at the hockey stick to eliminate linkage. You will turn the hockey stick all the way left and all the way forward. This should give you reverse. |
Sorry. Wrong info. I just did it by hand on my bus as I have a broken shift coupler. The top of the hockey stick will turn all the way to the RIGHT of the bus while pulling it all the way to the front. |
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earlywesty
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:10 am Post subject: |
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| LJay wrote: |
try what g said,you should hear a loud deep click when reverse is selected
i tell this to everyone but i once fitted a straight axle kit to my 60'split and the nose cone had a filler plug in it that was too long and fouling the shifter inside the box preventing reverse to be selected,i shaved it down with a file-just another thing to check |
thanks for the replies. I'll try moving it by hand and see what happens. I do have the plug which could likely be in the way if it was too long judging by the where it is. I believe it is the stock late bus nose cone... |
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earlywesty
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| Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| LJay wrote: |
try what g said,you should hear a loud deep click when reverse is selected
i tell this to everyone but i once fitted a straight axle kit to my 60'split and the nose cone had a filler plug in it that was too long and fouling the shifter inside the box preventing reverse to be selected,i shaved it down with a file-just another thing to check |
Success!!!!!!!!!!
I tried to shift by hand it still would not go. Fearing the worst I tried the above as a last ditch effort. Unscrewed the plug on the front of the nose cone about 1/2" and voila! It slid right in. Backs up just fine now and shifts just fine with the plug half way out. Now just need to figure out how much shorter it needs to be. Thanks again, you never know when something weird like this is gonna save someone some trouble. |
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zuggbug
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i just leared something else from the wonderful world of thesamba.. thanks for sharing.
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G-wood Todd
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| Sweet! Glad to hear that it was an easy fix. Now you can sleep well tonight. |
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Busryder
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I swapped my plug out with a nose-cone reverse light switch, then ran a wire from the hot side of the coil to one post on the switch, and then from the other post to my bumper mounted reverse light. Juice only flows with the key in the on position, allowing me to lock the transmission in reverse while parked without energizing the light... works like a charm.
Here is the switch that replaces that plug:
OEM Part 211-941-521
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BarryL 
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Great fix but, ummmm, that switch doesn't "energize" and lock. It is normally open and closes when in reverse but will still push in. Explain more? |
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earlywesty
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| Great fix but, ummmm, that switch doesn't "energize" and lock. It is normally open and closes when in reverse but will still push in. Explain more? |
I am not sure what you mean here, I think followed his post. He wired up a reverse light from it as that was the holes original intention. |
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sventinker
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| Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:24 pm Post subject: |
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| BarryL wrote: |
| Great fix but, ummmm, that switch doesn't "energize" and lock. It is normally open and closes when in reverse but will still push in. Explain more? |
Barry I see how you interpreted his sentence but I took it as he can park the bus while using reverse to keep the bus from moving and since the reverse light is wired through the ignition his reverse light wont illuminate while parked.
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BarryL
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| Ok. I guess what befuddled me is that is how the originals are except they have an inline fuse. |
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Busryder
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| Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Great fix but, ummmm, that switch doesn't "energize" and lock. It is normally open and closes when in reverse but will still push in. Explain more? |
Barry I see how you interpreted his sentence but I took it as he can park the bus while using reverse to keep the bus from moving and since the reverse light is wired through the ignition his reverse light wont illuminate while parked. |
I apologize for the confusion here Barry... but Sven is correctly reading my sentence. And I did wire it up per spec's, in-line fuse and all... using an OG fuse holder just for 'correctness' points. I kinda like it that way for most of my mod's. Others, I could care less... 
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kingsfanrob
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try what g said,you should hear a loud deep click when reverse is selected
i tell this to everyone but i once fitted a straight axle kit to my 60'split and the nose cone had a filler plug in it that was too long and fouling the shifter inside the box preventing reverse to be selected,i shaved it down with a file-just another thing to check |
I have the same problem with a twist. I have the motor and trans already in and running. I am using Nates lollipop and need about 1/2-1" of space to take the plug out. Can I loosen the shift coupler, clutch cable, and frame horn bolts, so I can slide the trans and motor back a little bit? I backed it out as far as I can but it is hitting the bolt on the lollipop. I just ordered a new plug from Rancho, the one I used was a generic oil plug. Any suggestions are appreciated. |
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earlywesty
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| I didn't use the lollipop so can't say for sure. throttle, choke, heater box cables, fuel lines, remove rear apron and give it a try. You might get lucky. What an oddball problem and for me the help in this thread saved me a lot of useless work and expense. |
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M183kombi
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Hey Rob, love your bus (still)...I had the c-1 adapter in it and everything worked well, not that it ever ran in my care but it felt like it hit all gears...I'd love to see some pics of the interior...
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kingsfanrob
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| Funny that I remember reading this thread after I ran into the problem. Going to try it tonight, thanks for the replies. I added a few updated pics to my gallery but don't have any interior pics on my phone. It has all the panels you sent with it, installed and cleaned up, but not too much different. |
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kingsfanrob
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| Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2014 8:21 am Post subject: |
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| Had to pull the motor. Pulled trans back, changed the plug and I now have reverse. |
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