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djkeev
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 Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:18 am Post subject: J-B Weld vs QuikSteel for 2.1 WBX head repairs. |
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I've read many times about using J-B Weld to repair the damaged heads at the gasket area. While I know that the temperatures are fairly moderate in that area and that JB's temperature tolerance up to 550* is fully adequate I wondered what else was out there.
I stumbled across a product called QuikSteel. While the 3oz package does not say that it works on Aluminum, the 25oz product does state that it is aluminum compatible. I did call BlueMagic to verify that they are the same product only in different containers and they did verify its compatibility with Aluminum on the phone.
What is attractive is the high temperature rating of 2400*. It's not needed there but does that indicate a superior and more enduring product?
Has anyone used this product?
Any feed back?
Yes I know........don't be so cheap, buy some new heads but at $1000 ......... I'll try a fix........
The larger container stating aluminum compatibility...........
Look! It's magnetic........ It must be pulverized iron or steel in some sort of high temperature adhesive suspension..............
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insyncro
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Personally I havent ever used JB or similar on pitted heads since using The Right Stuff sealant.
It fills gaps and has held up very well for me.
Hopefully others have found the same. |
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Wildthings
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2x
No worse than the heads look I wouldn't use any filler. |
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djkeev
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insyncro
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 9:23 am Post subject: |
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| insyncro wrote: |
Personally I havent ever used JB or similar on pitted heads since using The Right Stuff sealant.
It fills gaps and has held up very well for me.
Hopefully others have found the same. |
Huh, I must have missed those posts! 
I can see the right stuff working filling in the crevasses and imperfections.
Do you not use the kit provided sealant at all?
Do you use the right stuff on everything, even the head nuts?
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I have been sealing, just as Benny has posted the details, pictures and videos for many moons now.
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a ton of valuable info is hosted there without all of the Samba peanut gallery comments from know it alls.
reach out, there is life beyond the Samba forums.
I credit been with introducing Loctite 515/518, aviation gasket maker and The Right Stuff to sealing up a waterboxer engine.
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kirsplat
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I use The Right Stuff on everything, even my nuts.
Seriously though...The Right Stuff is great for sealing the water jacket surfaces but if there is pitting in the head gasket surface JB Weld or similar can buy you a few more miles.
I have used Marine Tex in the past with good results.
Surface prep is key using acetone or lacquer thinner.
And also use Aviation sealant to bond the head gasket to the head. (Thanks Ben)
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Alaric.H
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If you really want to see all the pitting sand blast just the edges of the head.
Type up the head with plastic and plug the holes as sand in engine is no good. |
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MarkWard
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| Posted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 11:38 am Post subject: |
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| a ton of valuable info is hosted there without all of the Samba peanut gallery comments from know it alls. |
Add this to the list of useless comments including mine. |
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Ben also talks about using JB weld on the gasket mating surfaces in some of his videos...
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mpabegg
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Detroit Diesel turned us onto this stuff. It's pricey, but well worth it. I get it at a local distributor. However, you can also buy it through grainger.
http://www.belzona.com/en/products/1000/1111.aspx
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Temperature resistance 93°C (200°F) immersed, 200°C (392°F) dry
Belzona 1111 temp range for a WBX head might be cutting it kinda close..if you use the immersed numbers. |
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61Scout
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Until you price it............
Dave |
It certainly is more expensive, but not outrageous. Look at these two deals:
http://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-8265S-Compound-Epox...h+strength
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lab-Metal-12-oz-16-oz-Lab-...19dfda01d3
Now 3.2 ounces for the JB weld, so let's say x4 which is $28. Lab metal at $43 for 12 ounces. Is it more per ounce, certainly, but it's not that much more expensive. Also, whenever you mix up the JB weld, how often do you mix too much? I know I do all the time and that extra just ends up in the garbage. With the lab metal, that can go back in the can and be used later. Don't get me wrong, it's not the product I reach for every time, but it is an excellent and proven product.
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