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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

D/A/N wrote:
I'm curious about where this thing lives when it's not set up to sleep in. On the roof rack? In the back?

It collapses to about 3" flat then has a road cover that snaps down over it. It stays on the roof of the car like a 4X8 sheet of plywood.
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 30, 2013 3:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Will you be using this at the 2014 Type 3 Invasion? Would be very cool to see it in person. Cool

That's the plan. I've got another car coming out of paint in the next couple of weeks so I'm focused on getting it finished. If all goes as planned, I'll be there.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 6:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just leave this here then.
http://www.americandreamtrailers.com/
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I'll just leave this here then.
http://www.americandreamtrailers.com/


Those trailers are cool! I love the boat on the roof!
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 9:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Woreign wrote:
Yabbadubbadoo wrote:
I'll just leave this here then.
http://www.americandreamtrailers.com/


Those trailers are cool! I love the boat on the roof!




To bad your original Volkswagen motor in your type 3 will need to have a Chevy truck in it to pull it.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 10:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

notchboy wrote:
Woreign wrote:
Yabbadubbadoo wrote:
I'll just leave this here then.
http://www.americandreamtrailers.com/


Those trailers are cool! I love the boat on the roof!




To bad your original Volkswagen motor in your type 3 will need to have a Chevy truck in it to pull it.


Now that's a cool rig!

So, what, you're saying that a T3 can't pull 650lbs??
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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notchboy wrote:
Woreign wrote:
Yabbadubbadoo wrote:
I'll just leave this here then.
http://www.americandreamtrailers.com/


Those trailers are cool! I love the boat on the roof!




To bad your original Volkswagen motor in your type 3 will need to have a Chevy truck in it to pull it.


Now that's a cool rig!

So, what, you're saying that a T3 can't pull 650lbs??



Oh it can pull it. Just dont bring food, water, camping gear, the dog, maybe the wife and kids Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's light weight as far as campers go and some of the home built teardrops would be a lot heavier considering the methods they use to build them.
But I do agree you have to consider the weight and safety of carrying it plus camping gear.
Having said that, as a kid I went on many camping trips with the whole family in a microbus. First we had a 69 (1600) and later we had a 79 2lt.
They both towed a boat loaded as a trailer, a whole family in the cabin with more food and gear plus the fully loaded boat was very heavy. Yes they were slow up hills, and the 69 was not adequately braked for the job so my dad upgraded with that excuse but the 2lt did it easily with some careful consideration by my father.
Firstly, load distribution was a big concern whenever he loaded up, but the main thing that made the whole setup relatively safe and road-sound was the addition of torsion bar load levelers at the hitch. The ones he had also had coil springs along the length to prevent jack knifing. The added benefit of that was it made the whole thing a lot easier when reversing.
So with all the brains in the room I'm pretty sure if someone wanted that 350lb trailer behind a type3 it wouldn't be impossible but maybe not a great idea in a stock vehicle.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 3:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's light weight as far as campers go and some of the home built teardrops would be a lot heavier considering the methods they use to build them.
But I do agree you have to consider the weight and safety of carrying it plus camping gear.
Having said that, as a kid I went on many camping trips with the whole family in a microbus. First we had a 69 (1600) and later we had a 79 2lt.
They both towed a boat loaded as a trailer, a whole family in the cabin with more food and gear plus the fully loaded boat was very heavy. Yes they were slow up hills, and the 69 was not adequately braked for the job so my dad upgraded with that excuse but the 2lt did it easily with some careful consideration by my father.
Firstly, load distribution was a big concern whenever he loaded up, but the main thing that made the whole setup relatively safe and road-sound was the addition of torsion bar load levelers at the hitch. The ones he had also had coil springs along the length to prevent jack knifing. The added benefit of that was it made the whole thing a lot easier when reversing.
So with all the brains in the room I'm pretty sure if someone wanted that 350lb trailer behind a type3 it wouldn't be impossible but maybe not a great idea in a stock vehicle.



Exactly why I posted a empty 200 lb trailer Wink

Perfect for a Type 3.


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That I will be towing behind a 1974 1800cc VW Westfalia bus as well as a 1977 Westfalia 2L bus Cool


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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's a neat solution and certainly something I would personally consider for camping or mountainbiking weekends cause it has a readymade bike rack and I don't mind sleeping in a tent too much but it's not exactly comparing apples with apples against the tiny camper with it's own house inside. Smile


Say someone were to tow a relatively heavy Teardrop or the custom camper I posted the link to, what would be the mods, improvements, or considerations that people here would do to a type three to make it a safe and comfortable experience? Say all up you're adding 500lb of towed and internally carried load to a bone dry type 3, what would you do?
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yabbadubbadoo wrote:
That's a neat solution and certainly something I would personally consider for camping or mountainbiking weekends cause it has a readymade bike rack and I don't mind sleeping in a tent too much but it's not exactly comparing apples with apples against the tiny camper with it's own house inside. Smile


Say someone were to tow a relatively heavy Teardrop or the custom camper I posted the link to, what would be the mods, improvements, or considerations that people here would do to a type three to make it a safe and comfortable experience? Say all up you're adding 500lb of towed and internally carried load to a bone dry type 3, what would you do?



There are no apples to compare that boat trailer to when towing with a T3. Unless you have a bigger motor or a conversion with more torque and horsepower. If you want big then the car needs to be able to tow it. The T3 can for short stuff but not long jauts - you will kill it. Therefore one would be mad to think that a "stock" T3 can drag a trailer around like that with any kind of longevity or consistency. That boat one is a pipe dream if you have a stock T3.

One of the bigger reasons I got into buses is just this reason. The T3 is not a bus and a T3 isn't a camper Wink Its a sedan meant to carry a couple in comfort. Your family bus did it because the transmission is meant to pull load the T3 is not.

So by the time you make a T3 drivetrain into a bus - it still wont be a bus with all its benefits.

What was that neat little trailer Neil had? It folded out into a tent thingy. But if you intend on pulling anything long distance with a stock T3, it is going to have to be one of these little wheelbarrows Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 8:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yabbadubbadoo wrote:
That's a neat solution and certainly something I would personally consider for camping or mountainbiking weekends cause it has a readymade bike rack and I don't mind sleeping in a tent too much but it's not exactly comparing apples with apples against the tiny camper with it's own house inside. Smile


Say someone were to tow a relatively heavy Teardrop or the custom camper I posted the link to, what would be the mods, improvements, or considerations that people here would do to a type three to make it a safe and comfortable experience? Say all up you're adding 500lb of towed and internally carried load to a bone dry type 3, what would you do?


Yes, BUT, you'd need a fresh engine, trans, and brakes to do it. But it can be done. VW limited most trailers to a total weight of 1000 lbs, and 100 lbs tounge weight. IF you're within those parameters, you should be good to go. Anything over that, then you need to look at trailer stabilization parts, and possibly a larger engine, or a larger vehicle.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 01, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you have a squareback - chances are you have stiffer rear torsion as well. If you have anything other - expect a tail drag due to tongue weight.

A empty T3 is very ambitious indeed. Going on a trip with no passengers or gear are we? Time to buy a two liter Wink
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 02, 2013 6:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are newer options as well. One of the reasons I posted a small-light-vintage trailer is that you can mount something like this on it or put it up on the roof of the square.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have literature from the Quicksilver aluminum teardrops, that are made in Montana, and some models can be towed by a Harley Davidson motorcycle. I have not seen one in the flesh, but they seem to be a very good unit. Try Quicksilver.com.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 6:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

With my Heilite single wheel. Absolutely no issues pulling this. I barely know that it's there.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 7:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^Thats the one I was thinking of that Neil had^^
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 08, 2013 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Look for an Aliner Alite. I don't think Aliner makes that model anymore, but the Alite weighs something like 400 lbs and people even tow them with large motorcycles. I have an Aliner Scout (that I tow with something other than an aircooled VW) that is very nice. High quality and easy towing.

Something else to consider beyond the weight of a trailer is the aerodynamic load. A folding camper or other, similar flat trailer has a lot less drag than a hardside camper, or other tall trailer. At 60+ mph, a tall trailer adds a lot of load due to wind resistance.
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 23, 2013 4:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maximum permissible trailer weights from the 1968 Type III Owner's Manual...
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The permissible weights for Beetles were a bit lower.
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