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SCP_Austin
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I work for a company that sells additives to oil manufacturers and with what is out there these days in terms of oil options--I am not sure why you would need an oil cooler. Oil has come a long way in the last 20 years, but be prepared to pay $$$$$ for high end oil.
I have a stock 2.1 running standard 20/50 with no cooler. If I was starting from scratch with a stroked motor--it might be different. Also--Vanistan engines get a 2X warranty for adding the oil cooler if memory serves...
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Farfrumwork
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^^Furry - I think you need to research some of the engineering principles you are speaking to a bit more.
MPG and power production aren't synonymous.
Oil coolers are great for engines as the oil becomes a heat sink (when required, which can be often for a setup like the Vanagon). Many many many modern motorsports vehicles have oil coolers. Hot oil can give more efficiency, thus the oil heater, to a point.
Cold air is more dense and contains more Oxygen (cold air intakes); fuel is different than air... They are generally "cast aluminum" as it is (or was) cheaper/easier to manufacture (if you were speaking to the intake manifold). My Turbo Legacy has a plastic intake manifold, as it is cheaper to produce AND it doesn't transmit or retain heat like Al.
And I don't claim to be an expert at exhaust manifold design (or automotive engineering), although I am a Engineer, but all of the exhaust "headers" that I have seen (and owned) for NA applications have LONG primaries. There is a LOT involved in 'header' design, but generally NA likes long primaries. Scavenging and where you want the power plays a huge roll in what the lengths are. Turbos like short to keep the distance from the head to the turbo short to retain heat and velocity (energy). Plus there is a packaging constraint in most applications.
Stock manifolds are restricted by cost and available real estate.
my .02... fwiw
-chad
(has a hand assembled and 'built' motor too - just not a wbx)
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furrylittleotter
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^^Furry - I think you need to research some of the engineering principles you are speaking to a bit more.
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I thought that was the point of Open Forums like this.
Why doesn't the person that is touting oil coolers prove their merit?
After all there are plenty of vehicles out there that are driven like they were stolen for 300,000 miles+ without oil coolers.
You may have missed my point about header design, in fact, I am sure you did. I really do not feel like typing it again so maybe re-read it and focus on the size of the primary and the size of the merge points. Also note that I am curious as to how the term "Tuned Exhaust" was being used to describe what is very obviously NOT a tuned exhaust, at least not in the traditional usage of the term…
Just my $ .03 canadian
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jberger
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| Farfrumwork wrote: |
^^Furry - I think you need to research some of the engineering principles you are speaking to a bit more.
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I thought that was the point of Open Forums like this.
Why doesn't the person that is touting oil coolers prove their merit?
After all there are plenty of vehicles out there that are driven like they were stolen for 300,000 miles+ without oil coolers.
You may have missed my point about header design, in fact, I am sure you did. I really do not feel like typing it again so maybe re-read it and focus on the size of the primary and the size of the merge points. Also note that I am curious as to how the term "Tuned Exhaust" was being used to describe what is very obviously NOT a tuned exhaust, at least not in the traditional usage of the term…
Just my $ .03 canadian
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I have tested MANY vans... all of them experience oil pressure drops directly related to coolant temperature increases. It can be the difference between 20lbs at idle compared to 10 or below at idle if the rad fan has come on (because temps are high). A high mileage van sees a more drastic pressure drop, 20/50 or not... Highway cruising up a mountain pass or crawling offroad or two lane hot footing... oil pressure will remain steady with the cooler in place. That doesn't mean you NEED it... but in my case, I wanted it. |
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onwardtothestars
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... The build quality is top notch and the presentations beautiful, but the man still refuses to hand-plank his rods.
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You made me spit out my dinner
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Rocky Mountain Westy
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You may have missed my point about header design, in fact, I am sure you did. I really do not feel like typing it again so maybe re-read it and focus on the size of the primary and the size of the merge points. Also note that I am curious as to how the term "Tuned Exhaust" was being used to describe what is very obviously NOT a tuned exhaust, at least not in the traditional usage of the term…
Just my $ .03 canadian
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Hey Neil,
This actually is a "tuned exhaust". It has measured primaries, secondaries and collector. The tube siziing is 1 1/2, which is the stock size. The tube length was figured out and set to the max torque at Chris's desired RPM. The firing order was taken into consideration to make it all work. This is a mathematically designed exhaust system that is tuned to the WBX engine.
Does that make it a little more clear? I am happy to clarify any questions you may have.
So this system does qualify as a Tuned Exhaust in the traditional use of the term
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insyncro
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| Why doesn't the person that is touting oil coolers prove their merit? Neil2 |
I have nothing to prove nor do I sell any of the parts listed in this thread.
If you want to find out how well oil cooling works...try an Internet search Dude 
 We are now cooling the fluid in the Syncro transmissions as well FYI 
It works and helps when the connected powerplant is well beyond stock parameters.
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ftp2leta
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I have nothing to prove nor do I sell any of the parts listed in this thread.
If you want to find out how well oil cooling works...try an Internet search Dude
We are now cooling the fluid in the Syncro transmissions as well FYI
It works and helps when the connected powerplant is well beyond stock parameters. |
X2. I didn't see any new post from the OP 
May he did call Chris
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tencentlife
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To Señor Red Beard: don't forget there is a Real Wide World outside this musty little corner of the World Wide Web. My customers mostly spend their time there. Some look at places like this but prefer not to participate; I don't need to wonder why. From about 90% of them, you're unlikely to ever read anything, good or bad, on the web.
To almost everyone else: thanks so much for your kind words and support. I aspire to make sure your positive impressions are always well-founded. And don't feed the trolls.
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carterzest
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To Señor Red Beard: don't forget there is a Real Wide World outside this musty little corner of the World Wide Web. My customers mostly spend their time there. Some look at places like this but prefer not to participate; I don't need to wonder why. From about 90% of them, you're unlikely to ever read anything, good or bad, on the web.
To almost everyone else: thanks so much for your kind words and support. I aspire to make sure your positive impressions are always well-founded. And don't feed the trolls. |
good on ya, mate!
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raoul mitgong
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Not a review since I don't own a Vanistan engine, but one will likely go into my 84 Westy when the time comes.
After years of Samba searching to get and keep my two Vanagons running, one thing I have learned is that when tencentlife weighs in on a discussion, I can usually stop right there. The guy knows his work. Even if there was not a single in-lb or hp gain in his engines, I know that the reliability would be excellent because he has answered about every question that has been asked on this forum about every issue. I'm sure his engines reflect his knowledge.
And with all that knowledge you get zero vanity, arrogance or snobbery.
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Jeff's Old Volks Home
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To Señor Red Beard: don't forget there is a Real Wide World outside this musty little corner of the World Wide Web. My customers mostly spend their time there. Some look at places like this but prefer not to participate; I don't need to wonder why. From about 90% of them, you're unlikely to ever read anything, good or bad, on the web.
To almost everyone else: thanks so much for your kind words and support. I aspire to make sure your positive impressions are always well-founded. And don't feed the trolls. |
Rarely something worth quoting here...Except this, thanks, you made my day. Some people take things, way too seriously.
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D Clymer
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To Señor Red Beard: don't forget there is a Real Wide World outside this musty little corner of the World Wide Web. My customers mostly spend their time there. Some look at places like this but prefer not to participate; I don't need to wonder why. From about 90% of them, you're unlikely to ever read anything, good or bad, on the web.
To almost everyone else: thanks so much for your kind words and support. I aspire to make sure your positive impressions are always well-founded. And don't feed the trolls. |
A fine example of taking the high-road. Nice job, Chris. A quality product and excellent customer support speak for themselves. The complete absence of any negative feedback with over 50 engines out there tells the story.
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kreissig
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| Posted: Sat Jan 11, 2014 11:04 am Post subject: My 2.2 at just under one year old |
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So, I waited to post anything here until I had some real miles on my motor.
Performance: As I expected, torque is improved to the point that hills are not a "feared" obsticle with traffic around me.
Build Quality: Excellent, as many will say who have seen one of these up close. One issue I had was that the seal for the oil cooler was silicone and leaked almost from day one. (This may have been the installer - I'm not sure.) The second issue - the barrel bolt that secures the accel. cable to the custom throttle body is a bit small and vacilates within the armature. (Although this may again have been a result of the installer - I was not happy with my installer, and I detected some dishonesty from him, so I do/did not fault Tencent for any of these issues.
Rocky Mountain Exhaust: One issue. It has begun to "chirp" (as in a sound of metal to metal scraping) at idle when the engine is not fully warm and the resultant extra vibartion seems to cause this. In other words, after longer operation when the motor is fully warm, the idle is naturally smoother and no "chirping" is detectable.[/b]
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jberger
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Not a review since I don't own a Vanistan engine, but one will likely go into my 84 Westy when the time comes.
After years of Samba searching to get and keep my two Vanagons running, one thing I have learned is that when tencentlife weighs in on a discussion, I can usually stop right there. The guy knows his work. Even if there was not a single in-lb or hp gain in his engines, I know that the reliability would be excellent because he has answered about every question that has been asked on this forum about every issue. I'm sure his engines reflect his knowledge.
And with all that knowledge you get zero vanity, arrogance or snobbery.
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mariusstrom
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Find the closest transplant and contact the owner.
If you ask nicely, I'm sure they will take you for a spin.
First hand experience is by far the best, if you ask me. |
Marius Strom is up in Seattle. He loves chatting VW too. |
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goskiracer
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I just put my 1,000,000th (give or take a few ) revolution on the new Vanistan engine that is now pushing Sparkles around.
The facts:
1986 tin-top syncro, factory trans w/ locking diff, BFG 215 75 r15 wheels, 2.2 wbx Vanistan high-alt cam, wbxhaust w/ cat, ski pole shifter
The first point I would like to address is the "noise". Honestly I am quite surprised how quiet everything is at 75mph-4200rpm when cruising down the interstate. If anything this rig runs quieter than before. Yes, it does sound louder from the outside when driving around town in tunnels etc. I would get a ride in one and see how loud they are if that really causes you worry... but it shouldn't.
Driving behaviour is much improved... obviously with the hp/ftlb gains over stock this is going to be the case. Anecdotal... merging from a stop up a ramp into freeway trafic is a breeze, even passing semis is easy. Up here at altitude the power so far has been great and the hills can now be climbed at freeway speeds.
Looking forward to many more rev's!
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heart4Pahoa
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Hi kreissig,
Thanks for the supplied info as this was the information I understood was being requested of the OP. You are just North of me (I am in Dana Point). Any chance I could buy you lunch and get a peak at your vanistan engine and take a test drive? I would like to pick your brain more if you have the time too. Feel free to PM me. We (the family) have an 83 (water-cooled 1.9) and it runs swimmingly for now, but just looking to the future.
Thanks to all of you who have contributed to this post thus far... be it good, bad or ugly.
Peace,
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rickf46
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I'm not a motor head, but just got my westie back with the Ten Cent motor. The install was done by Pete Dexter at Volksparts in Walpole NH (Except he can't call it that anymore. Lawyers.) Included in the install: oil cooler, new sensors and senders and wiring harness. And whatever bit Pete felt was needed. The harness was self-funded since I opted out of the Vanistan/RMW tuned exhaust and "only" got the GW SS set-up. (My wife doesn't understand how the harness is now "free.") I trusted Pete absolutely and he delivered completely.
I dropped off a very anemic vehicle and drove off with something dramatically different. Great throttle response, pulls up hills, makes me smile. That's all I got for you from the technical end.
But, buying from Chris was a pleasure. The man is erudite, literate, attuned to the world around him. My life is built upon the concept that you vote with your dollars. In other words, your heart should be included in your buying decision.
Another lesson from this venture - every merchant in this space is great and I think I bought something from everyone (GW, Van Cafe, T3, RMW, Vanagain, etc.) We are a lucky bunch of obsessives.
Anyone near my little corner of NH (03458) is welcome to check out my Vanistan. If I am not off in the woods... |
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Love My Westy
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| Any updates on how the Vanistan engines are performing now that they been installed for a few years? There also must be a lot of newer installations since the last post in 2014. Let's hear how they're running. I'm still in the market for one. |
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