Early Bay automatic gearbox cover pan gasket

pgtips · Last edited by pgtips on Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:30 am; edited 1 time in total

Hi,

done some searching but i think I'm stuck on this one, I changed my ATF a year ago but its leaked ever since from the cover pan (that the atf pipe in the engine feeds into the side of)

So the car is up on ramps to do the brakes and I decided to tackle this leak.. but I'm buggered if i can find a source for the cover pan gasket. I'm in the UK, I bought a automatic sump gasket believing this to be the same but its not so i think I will need to make a gasket.

I found these pics of someone who rebuilt a auto trans and got his gasket as part of a kit but over here in the UK thats not possible to obtain.

So my Q is, this is ATF not 'normal' oil so do i need to look for anything special in the gasket paper/kit/whatever I can buy or does anyone know if they are the same as some other model.

Also any suggestions on what thickness would be best.

I have a 1975 auto by the way which is an odd year but i'd be surprised if these were that different across model years.

bit embarrassed to admit I don't know what gearbox I have.

these pics taken from http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=570692&highlight=cover+plate+gasket

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thanks

PG

:title amended for future searches after solutions found - see below:
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Keith · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:11 pm Post subject:

I'm not seeing an actual gasket in that picture, it looks like RTV specifically made for transmission fluid.

I've worked on plenty of stuff where even in the repair manual it states " transmission pan gasket NLA, use transmission fluid safe RTV instead".
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old DKP driver · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 5:40 pm Post subject: ATF pan Gasket

Depending on the Transmission Your pan is the EARLY STYLE

Early 003 # 003 321 371 pan gasket******

Late 010 # 010 321 371 B pan gasket
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Wasted youth · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:12 pm Post subject:

That's my pan in the pic. That's the picture of it after I dropped the pan for inspection. Later, I made a gasket out of locally available Fel-Pro corporation cork-rubber rolled gasket material, 3/32" thick, and applied Permatex hi-temp RTV in a thin coat on both sides of the gasket. The rebuild kit came with only one of the pan gaskets, either the Final Drive or the Tranny side, I cannot recall which one I made.

oldDKPdriver was very helpful during this rebuild. As far as which model you have, the 003 is vacuum modulated. Look for a vacuum line heading toward the passenger side of the pan, towards the engine end of it. Also, the 003 has an electric kickdown switch under the gas pedal.

Yet, I am going to bet you have the 010 model in your 1975 bus mated to a 2.0L engine... Question

pqtips, I sent you a PM!

old DKP driver · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject: WHICH pan gasket

Hi Steven,

that's why I posted both pan gasket part numbers. as the OP is over there
across the pond and, anything is possible for the transmission

Whoops ! I saw he has a 2.0 engine in his sig.line

Chris
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Wasted youth · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 7:56 pm Post subject:

Well regardless, those are part numbers I didn't have, so it's nice of you to post them. Too bad there is trouble finding them. It's also somewhat difficult to find a new modulator for the 003, or the correct torque converter.

old DKP driver · Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 9:13 pm Post subject: 003 and 010 AT parts

Napa auto and many others still stock both pan seals and filter too

part number for the 003 NAPA part ATP14905 OR with filter ATP17203

010 pan gasket is the same as Rabbit and Audi
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pgtips · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 3:19 am Post subject: Re: ATF PGpan Gasket

Here is my pan (strainer is not really yellow it just came out that way in the pic

madmike · Posted: Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:28 am Post subject:

As a retired Transmission shop owner I've replaced a few thousand pan gaskets Rolling Eyes

and have NEVER used any sealer at all especially silicone!(comes loose and clogs the filter) ,Just make sure everything is dry and don't 'OVERTHIGHTEN' the pan and squeeze out the gasket "inch' pound torquewench!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"Inch pounds"not ass pounds Laughing

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pgtips · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:28 am Post subject:

how bloody annoying, put it all back together and it still leaks.
Over the past few days I've been tightening up the bolts just a touch more and leaving for a few hours but its leaking from one corner.

Possibly (probably) the pan is bent out of shape, really frustrated and ATF isn't the cheapest fluid to throw away. Off it must come again ... sigh
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1971 1302 LS - semi/stickshift

Trim ring info here -> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559668
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=451210
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=479721

madmike · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:31 am Post subject:

If it was ever over tightened? check with a straight edge across the bolt holes,if so? lay it on a solid flat surface and smack them with a Ball Peen hammer and make them flat again,also the 'Pan' is the lowest part of the Trans,and sometimes a leak above the pan makes it seem like the pan gasket is the leak Crying or Very sad

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"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works"

madmike · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 5:31 am Post subject:

If it was ever over tightened? check with a straight edge across the bolt holes,if so? lay it on a solid flat surface and smack them with a Ball Peen hammer and make them flat again,also the 'Pan' is the lowest part of the Trans,and sometimes a leak above the pan makes it seem like the pan gasket is the leak Crying or Very sad

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"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works"

pgtips · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 7:15 am Post subject:

thanks Mike,

I suspect that if it is bent out of shape that was the original cause of the leak which led me to replacing the gasket etc.

Part 2 of the problem is the big nut on the side which connects the filler pipe , it is solid, I don't want to apply too much pressure to it in case it does more damage..a reasonable amount of force so far and it hasn't given yet but I know it has to come off now.

I'll let you know how I get on.

PG
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1975 1.8l FI Auto Westy - Subaru converted
1971 356 kit 1600 TP - semi/stickshift
1971 1302 LS - semi/stickshift

Trim ring info here -> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559668
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=451210
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=479721

Wasted youth · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:21 am Post subject:

To see if the pan is bent, and where the bend might be: Thoroughly clean the pan once it is removed, and then carefully lay it up on a windowpane of your house. Gently try to rock it back and forth from all angles, much like sitting in a four-legged wood chair that has a short leg.

No reason to throw away the ATF if you can capture it in a clean manner.

tristessa · Posted: Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:02 am Post subject:

madmike · Posted: Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:12 am Post subject:

The filler tube is screw into the pan like an old Ford cast iron Cruis-o-Matic,'Heat'is the only way we use to get the loose,LOL as in Red Hot!!
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"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works"

pgtips · Posted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 8:23 am Post subject:

Thanks guys, I drained it all off and started again, I didn't remove the pan completely from the filler pipe/feed.

Any area (one area) that looked like it might cause a problem I fettled a bit. I would place a fair bet that in its past someone has jacked up the bus via pan on one quarter.

The gasket was ok and I applied some RTV sealant I mentioned in an earlier post because I couldn't face doing it all again and so far I think its all done the job. Couple more days watching it but fingers crossed its ok now for another 30000.

Just got to get him started now... but that's another post !

PG
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1975 1.8l FI Auto Westy - Subaru converted
1971 356 kit 1600 TP - semi/stickshift
1971 1302 LS - semi/stickshift

Trim ring info here -> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559668
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=451210
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=479721

pgtips · Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:46 am Post subject:

Hi,

sad to say I'm back to tackle this leak. Bought myself a 24mm spanner today, I'll drain it again and see if I can get the nut on the side loose, its so incredibly tight I am wondering if I am turning it the right way, I read earlier post it is screwed into the pan.

I cannot decide whether to build up the seal/gasket with RTV which is the easier option or fight the nut on the side. Someone has already had a go at the nut and it is rounded in some places so that decision may be made for me (anyone want to buy a 24mm spanner Smile

I've never experienced anything quite like this, its a simple enough task and should have been fixed by now.

PG
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1975 1.8l FI Auto Westy - Subaru converted
1971 356 kit 1600 TP - semi/stickshift
1971 1302 LS - semi/stickshift

Trim ring info here -> http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=559668
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=451210
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=479721

old DKP driver · Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:39 am Post subject: ATF Leak

Sorry to hear that the pan or filler pipe is leaking again and, yes the filler pipe nut is very tight and was always hard to remove even with the car on a lift up in the air.

You might try using a pipe wrench which will bite down more on the nut
and keep it from rounding off.

Chris
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monkbonk · Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:55 am Post subject:

I have an old, nasty 003 transmission pan if you need it.
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