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 Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:42 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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I'm going to say No, it doesn't apply to European Buses
Source, this 1960 European semaphore Deluxe - front window glass is not SIGLA based on the front window sliders seen in this photo
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Alright, then I'll have to source the rear and side glass from Europe. Oh man, the rear glass is gonna be expensive. It should have the same logos as the 1960 truck glass you posted earlier in the thread. Thanks for your help! |
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EverettB 
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:58 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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I think it might all be Sekurit so you could use some glass from a Commercial vehicle like a Panelvan? Front door glass and so on.
Maybe someone with a 59-61 or so Euro Bus can post what they have - this would be good information to have in the thread.
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| Posted: Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:01 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| EverettB wrote: |
I think it might all be Sekurit so you could use some glass from a Commercial vehicle like a Panelvan? Front door glass and so on.
Maybe someone with a 59-61 or so Euro Bus can post what they have - this would be good information to have in the thread. |
Even single cab would be easy, I have a couple of vent wings I think. I can't imagine trying to find a small A-02 Sekurit rear deluxe hatch glass. Hopefully some good hearted European split bus nerd is reading this and wants to help! |
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JonnySox
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 4:04 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| I just rescued a May 56 double door panel with Sigla sliders. I need glass... hahaha |
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JonnySox
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| Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 6:17 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| EverettB wrote: |
| JonnyBSox wrote: |
| I just rescued a May 56 double door panel with Sigla sliders. I need glass... hahaha |
Weird - Panels don't normally have Sigla glass. |
Its been sitting for 30 years...maybe both sides were replaced with that but i doubt it... once i figure out how to post pics i will show you a few....
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| Posted: Tue Jan 16, 2018 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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Has this issue been resolved? the 62 camper conversion im working on seems to be sigla. its been there for ages. the glass has been replaced with sekurit
oddly the slider rail and latch is still there.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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I believe I have one of those patches if your looking
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derRHDmeister
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 6:59 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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Im looking through the site it appears the consensus is that the deluxe or passenger buses came with sigla style glass/latches while commercial buses did not. Is this confirmed or still unknown?
I have a 62 panel camper conversion (caravelle? or someone) that has pretty much og parts except the driver side missing the slider rail, however, the front door windows are sekurit. was it replaced at one point? or was it there all along? but what was the sekurit doing on a sigla slider rail (see passenger side)
Also, the front windshield is DELOG laminated. Im confused now. I want to be sure to source correct parts for it.
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EverettB
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:39 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| derRHDmeister wrote: |
Im looking through the site it appears the consensus is that the deluxe or passenger buses came with sigla style glass/latches while commercial buses did not. Is this confirmed or still unknown?
I have a 62 panel camper conversion (caravelle? or someone) that has pretty much og parts except the driver side missing the slider rail, however, the front door windows are sekurit. was it replaced at one point? or was it there all along? but what was the sekurit doing on a sigla slider rail (see passenger side)
Also, the front windshield is DELOG laminated. Im confused now. I want to be sure to source correct parts for it. |
In 1962:
SIGLA is passenger Buses. This includes Kombis. Panelvans are Sekurit.
Do you mean in the photo above? It looks like a Sigla glass to me.
Windshields can be DELOG as those are safety glass and you want safety glass for the windshields. Sekurit is not safety glass - Sigla is.
My '61 DC has original Delog windshields but everything else is Sekurit.
Sigla-equipped Buses typically have Sigla windshields too from what I have seen.
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 8:52 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| EverettB wrote: |
| derRHDmeister wrote: |
Im looking through the site it appears the consensus is that the deluxe or passenger buses came with sigla style glass/latches while commercial buses did not. Is this confirmed or still unknown?
I have a 62 panel camper conversion (caravelle? or someone) that has pretty much og parts except the driver side missing the slider rail, however, the front door windows are sekurit. was it replaced at one point? or was it there all along? but what was the sekurit doing on a sigla slider rail (see passenger side)
Also, the front windshield is DELOG laminated. Im confused now. I want to be sure to source correct parts for it. |
In 1962:
SIGLA is passenger Buses. This includes Kombis. Panelvans are Sekurit.
Do you mean in the photo above? It looks like a Sigla glass to me.
Windshields can be DELOG as those are safety glass and you want safety glass for the windshields. Sekurit is not safety glass - Sigla is.
My '61 DC has original Delog windshields but everything else is Sekurit.
Sigla-equipped Buses typically have Sigla windshields too from what I have seen. |
So it’s not the time frame but model specific? It seems euro market were still using sekurit while us laws made them switch over to sigla ? Like the us market bumpers and headlights...
Now with that said, I find that it’s odd to be just specific to models. I’d think the timeframe would apply- and the laminated glasses wore out faster and were replaced in masses with sekurit? We need more 61-62 original examples to confirm if sigla latches were used on commercial vehicles. Also the month is Jan 62. I want it to be correct. No sigla?
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| Posted: Wed Jan 17, 2018 9:26 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| EverettB wrote: |
| derRHDmeister wrote: |
Im looking through the site it appears the consensus is that the deluxe or passenger buses came with sigla style glass/latches while commercial buses did not. Is this confirmed or still unknown?
I have a 62 panel camper conversion (caravelle? or someone) that has pretty much og parts except the driver side missing the slider rail, however, the front door windows are sekurit. was it replaced at one point? or was it there all along? but what was the sekurit doing on a sigla slider rail (see passenger side)
Also, the front windshield is DELOG laminated. Im confused now. I want to be sure to source correct parts for it. |
In 1962:
SIGLA is passenger Buses. This includes Kombis. Panelvans are Sekurit.
Do you mean in the photo above? It looks like a Sigla glass to me.
Windshields can be DELOG as those are safety glass and you want safety glass for the windshields. Sekurit is not safety glass - Sigla is.
My '61 DC has original Delog windshields but everything else is Sekurit.
Sigla-equipped Buses typically have Sigla windshields too from what I have seen. |
So it’s not the time frame but model specific? It seems euro market were still using sekurit while us laws made them switch over to sigla ? Like the us market bumpers and headlights...
Now with that said, I find that it’s odd to be just specific to models. I’d think the timeframe would apply- and the laminated glasses wore out faster and were replaced in masses with sekurit? We need more 61-62 original examples to confirm if sigla latches were used on commercial vehicles. Also the month is Jan 62. I want it to be correct. No sigla? |
There are some time frames involved - The known time frames for different glass are listed in the first post of this thread.
If you have a '62 panel it should be Sekurit.
What is your back window? Sekurit? It should match that window.
You are correct European vs. North America/USA-style Buses are often different.
Different laws. Example: European Buses don't have safety windshields.
Passenger buses and Sigla glass:
I've seen A LOT of Buses that should have Sigla where the front door glass was replaced with Sekurit even though the rest of the Bus is often still Sigla everywhere. I believe they broke or cracked. I know the Sigla vent wings cracked a lot and I've seen a lot of cracked Sigla front slider glass too.
If anyone knows the glass breakdowns for European Buses, I would like to add it to the beginning of this thread.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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I see this thread has aged a bit, but wanted to add some info and to ask for some. I saw that the size for the stationary glass was shown in the first page of posts. Does anyone have the measurements for the slider?
Also, the question was asked if laminated glass is still available in the correct thickness. The answer is yes. I work for a glass custom cut/temper plant. We produce mostly safety glass, but we cut laminated as well. I don't know every size, but we have 5mm for sure, which is 2 sheets of 2.2mm with .6mm plastic sandwiched. As far as safety glass, we produce 3,4,5, and 6mm.
That's why I need the measurements. I'm just going to cut and temper my own, or go with laminated (most likely laminated).
Everett directed me here for the logos, which is good, as I can download them and logo the glass. Unfortunately, it will be laser-etched, so it won't look as original if I do it. I might just etch a random picture onto each piece for fun instead. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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Tim, is that the piece from your 57' Kombi? That's a cool one!
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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That "snowflake" is interesting. Laminated glass actually cracks very easily, since it is raw annealed glass, and cannot be tempered due to the plastic. That effect would likely be from a small star pattern break which then over time allowed moisture to seep in between the glass and plastic.
Recreating that quickly would be difficult. Causing a similar break would be easy enough, just lay the glass on a solid flat surface and use a steel punch to make an impact mark. After that would be just a guess, but probably put boiling water on top of the break and use a suction cup to form a plunger effect, forcing the water down into the cracks. Heat is used during the laminated cutting process to soften the plastic while the score lines are created on both pieces of glass simultaneously. Once the score line is broken out, the plastic is just trimmed with a utility knife. So my guess is that hot water would help separate the glass from the plastic when applied by forcing it into the crack. |
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