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Miklo
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 Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2016 6:09 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| Tim Donahoe wrote: |
I just have to wonder if the brass bushing wears, how would you replace it without cutting out the hanger and welding in a new one?
You assume it will last a lifetime, but without a bit of grease from time to time, wouldn't the bushing wear?
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Good point... Maybe with the right pair of longnose c clip pliers it may be possible?
I would still grease the hell out of the bushing, just like I already do with the platico junk... White grease.
It's interesting... I'm very tempted to try it.
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BluzBug
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 6:18 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| I believe the Bronze Bushing is impregnated with oil... i keep it greased. It is possible to slide the Scat Drag Fast Shift Boot upward and reach in with a long Screwdriver to add grease to the Shaft. Worse comes to worse if the Bronze Bushing wears, the Shifter will be removed and i can always reach in, unsnap the snap ring, remove the Bushing and install the traditional Shift Shaft Bushing. Which'll have no effect on the new Bracket i welded in. I will report back if and when any problems arise. |
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Tim Donahoe
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| Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2016 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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I was just wondering how you will be able to "reach in" and unsnap the snap ring, taking into consideration that it was installed at the back end of the bracket--at the opposite side that you would be able to access from the shifter opening, that is
I also remember graphite-impregnated bronze or brass bushings that we used to use on the pivot points of the lower sections of springer front ends on motorcycles, back in the early '70's; but I have to wonder how oil can be impregnated into molten brass or bronze.
Even so, a bit of grease maintenance every once in a while, should keep the bearing from wearing for many years.
Tim
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BluzBug
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| Posted: Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:15 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Damn!! I installed it the wrong way... LOL! Take a closer look, the snap ring is on the front side of the Bracket. |
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 9:43 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| Tim Donahoe wrote: |
I just have to wonder if the brass bushing wears, how would you replace it without cutting out the hanger and welding in a new one?
You assume it will last a lifetime, but without a bit of grease from time to time, wouldn't the bushing wear?
Tim |
Haven't got to that point, but my idea was to use the snap ring pliers. Maybe I can give it a shot when I need to re-grease it. All I remember was that my pliers can reach to it but never really tried. The whole idea was borrowed from the add that was posted on the classifieds, but his was steel vs bronze? Steel would probably last longer but would still need a lot of grease I would assume. |
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63vdubbug
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 9:50 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| BluzBug wrote: |
Damn!! I installed it the wrong way... LOL! Take a closer look, the snap ring is on the front side of the Bracket. |
I don't think you installed it wrong. The snap ring should go on that side because that's where the rod feeds through. I believe the one posted on the classified ad is setup the same way. Once you get the snap ring off, then you just push the bushing out with your finger. It would be harder to get the snap ring off from the other side.
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BluzBug
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| Posted: Mon May 02, 2016 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| BluzBug wrote: |
Damn!! I installed it the wrong way... LOL! Take a closer look, the snap ring is on the front side of the Bracket. |
I don't think you installed it wrong. The snap ring should go on that side because that's where the rod feeds through. I believe the one posted on the classified ad is setup the same way. Once you get the snap ring off, then you just push the bushing out with your finger. It would harder to get the snap ring off from the other side. |
Very true ... thats what the... "LOL" was for. Snap Ring goes on front side of Bracket. |
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| Posted: Sun Jun 19, 2016 12:54 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| Bluzbug, nice work! Would like to know source, size, etc. for the bushing. Thanks. |
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grandpa pete
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| Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2016 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| nvrgvupjw wrote: |
| Bluzbug, nice work! Would like to know source, size, etc. for the bushing. Thanks. |
Take the numbers off the package in the photo to your local bearing store .
I found them for $2.35 in Clearwater Florida .
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dcarlson12
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| Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2016 10:38 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Just wondering if anyone installs the bushing bracket/hanger by drilling thru holes and welding nuts to the underside and then using hex socket pan head screws to hold it to the tunnel rather than spot welding it?
Or if the bracket/hanger material is thick enough, tap it and use the screws?
This way if the bronze bushing fails, just take out the bracket rather than fiddle with snap ring pliers in a small hole, in order to replace the bushing.
Dwight
PS Someone commented about getting oil into the bronze; the bronze is sintered meaning it made by compressing fine bronze particles in a press to the shape required. It can also be machined after for custom applications.
Eg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZAwIiH-g2tg for explanation
Also google: oilite bronze bushings
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BluzBug
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 5:12 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| dcarlson12 ... I've heard of ppl on this Forum using Steel Pop-Rivets, probably their lack of a wire welder, but i would never use Aluminum. As far as removing the Snap Ring, i would think you could just reach in with a good set of Snap Ring Pliers and remove the Snap-Ring from the front...then push the Bushing to the rear and catch it in the same Hand, then go on replacing it with the Nylon Bushing as if the Bronze Bushing was never in there. My Snap-Ring fits tightly against the Rear Bracket, maybe that is why i don't get a "Rattle".. but, i also carry a new Nylon Bushing in case the Snap-Ring comes off. |
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KTPhil 
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| Posted: Fri Aug 26, 2016 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| dcarlson12 wrote: |
| Just wondering if anyone installs the bushing bracket/hanger by drilling thru holes and welding nuts to the underside and then using hex socket pan head screws to hold it to the tunnel rather than spot welding it? |
Yes.
VW did.
On the Type 3s!
http://www.vwispwest.com/311711251.html?page=1
I wonder if this plate can fit the Bug tunnel; might be too wide. Anyone know? |
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BluzBug
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 5:10 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| The Tunnel itself is much wider then on a Type1... i've a couple of Junked out Type 3, i'll have to look at them in the next few days. |
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KTPhil
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:28 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| Perhaps it can be narrowed and drilled to fit. Would be an awesome retrofit! |
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2016 1:28 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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The bushing itself should last a long time, but the methods used in this thread are cutting that lifetime in half. Why? Because machining the snap-ring groove is creating a thin spot in an already thin-walled bushing.
An alternative might be to start with a thicker-walled bushing, and just bore (open up) the receiving hole in the bracket to accommodate the larger diameter bushing...then after grooving for the snap-ring, there is still more material left over for the lifespan of the bushing.
Just brainstorming from my armchair. And if you wanna see a crapload of bronze oilite bushings in every size, go to McMaster dot com. |
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BluzBug
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| Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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... Just over a year later, added a "dab" of grease.... still going strong  |
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Hyatt181
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 5:20 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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What was the part number for the bushing?
Seems to be missing from the photos.
The only machining you had to do was the snap ring grove? |
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EVfun
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| Posted: Mon Jan 01, 2018 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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The bushing is Hillman 882999. I saved the photo of the package which has since disappeared from this thread. It was a photobucket policy victim.
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zoti
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| Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2020 7:24 pm Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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Do you have the inner and outer diameter measurements handy?
I’d like to make one myself.
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Finally got around to making my own, started out a routine bushing replacement (nylon), then i figured ... why not. So i went to Applied Bearing and ordered to 2 Bronze Bushings (TOTAL 6.80) plus 2 snap rings (TOTAL, UNDER $1) .. did a little lathe work... and you can see the result. The extra one will go in my tool box for later .. sure beats $39.95 + 7.95 shipping. Seems like a snug fit, the snap ring holds it in place so there's no front/back movement.
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scottyrocks
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| Posted: Fri May 28, 2021 10:37 am Post subject: Re: Shifter rod hanger broken |
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| 63vdubbug wrote: |
Once test fit was complete, I moved inside the bug and started drilling out the spot welds. Then, weld her up with the bushing already in place inside of the hanger. Put the rod back in with some minor hammering.
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How did you get the new bracket into place inside the tunnel? I've tried every hole and there's always a blockage of some sort.
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