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adaysnight
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 Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:14 pm Post subject: 52 VIN question |
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| i'm interested in a 52 that the seller says is all matching and gave me a VIN shown on registration as 10375284. is this correct for a 52? i've looked under Technical here and the VINs for 52s are completely different. perhaps i'm missing something... thank you |
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adaysnight
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| Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:05 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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| a VIN # from August, 1952 |
thank you!
how can i know what an August 1952 build would have in terms of correct features, options, etc.? i just want to know what's been replaced/modified on the car that is not original to the build... i'm somewhat of a purist that way  |
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adaysnight
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 12:46 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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perhaps a clue to the "puzzle", i just found this 52 in the Samba registry as:
1952
1-375284
11C - Deluxe/Export sedan left-hand drive
USA
i think this is the same Chassis number as 10375284 that appears on the registration, assuming the DMV used a 0 for the dash.
the seller says it does not have crotch coolers and is therefore a Standard model, but the Samba registry clearly shows it to be a Deluxe.
not sure what to make of this right now but it may have a different body on it or? please advise, thank you. |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:12 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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Do you have pictures? Posting pictures is the best way to obtain the answers You seek.
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adaysnight
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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| Do you have pictures? |
not yet will post then, but the car has aluminum trim all around and on trunk, and no crotch coolers. thank you |
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esde
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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post a pic of the body number on the tag behind the spare tire, and the pan number, which is on the tunnel under the back seat. They will not be the same number, but will help decipher what you have.
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adaysnight
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 6:40 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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just got these from the seller, what do we have here? thank you
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sled
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:26 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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It appears to be an August of 1952 11A standard beetle. It was very common back in the day to add trim to standard models to make them appear more "deluxe"
also, some Hoffman imported standards received trim from the factory.
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adaysnight
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:58 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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| makes sense, but why would the Samba identify it as a Deluxe, mistake? |
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adaysnight
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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more pics...
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adaysnight
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 9:47 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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i'm still confused, the Samba registry says this, and you may certainly look it up yourself:
1952
1-375284
11C - Deluxe/Export sedan left-hand drive
USA
so why would a non-crotch cooler body with a supposedly matching chassis be specified as a Deluxe model in the Samba registry? also, from the added pictures, is there anything else that makes this a post production modified vehicle?
one more thing, i read somewhere that no Standards were imported into the US to be sold as new through a dealership, only Deluxe models. this leads me to believe that this is a Euro model brought to the US as used... is this correct? thank you
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adaysnight
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| Posted: Mon Apr 25, 2022 10:58 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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| Ok, I understand what you mean - Maybe someone recorded it wrong in the Registry? |
that's what i think now. according to the seller, it's a no-rust no-accident good driver with all working electrics original engine and transmission, with an incorrect hood but a correct handle, incorrect bumpers, and the drivers and passenger seat backs need reupholstering. also, the car has been repainted a non-original darker blue color.
if all is on the level, what would be a reasonable price for it? i understand that original parts for splits are expensive and hard to find... is this a complete-enough car or wait for a better specimen? thank you |
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sled
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 7:57 am Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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i'm still confused, the Samba registry says this, and you may certainly look it up yourself:
1952
1-375284
11C - Deluxe/Export sedan left-hand drive
USA
so why would a non-crotch cooler body with a supposedly matching chassis be specified as a Deluxe model in the Samba registry? also, from the added pictures, is there anything else that makes this a post production modified vehicle?
one more thing, i read somewhere that no Standards were imported into the US to be sold as new through a dealership, only Deluxe models. this leads me to believe that this is a Euro model brought to the US as used... is this correct? thank you |
as Everett mentioned, someone just recorded this into the registry incorrectly.
I don't see this car being a post production modified vehicle
no, that is incorrect about only deluxes being imported to the USA, many standard models were also imported. Though you won't know about this car for sure without getting a birth certificate from the Volkswagen museum. IF, and thats a big if, the speedo is original to the car, that could be indicative of a USA delivery as it is MPH not KPH.
the engine may be original to the car (again can't prove without a letter of authenticity from VW museum) but almost all of the bolt on parts appear to be incorrect. If you were to chase down all the right parts, they are quite costly.
the interior parts are mostly correct, but the materials used are not. The seats and headliner appear to have been recovered in the wrong fabric. Also the carpet has been replaced with a later style kit, mats replaced, and tunnel mat having been removed. The tunnel mat is a standard only feature and sets them apart. Semaphore knob is broken and polished over, which is weird.
do you know if it has the correct split semaphores? if not, those are $$$ as well
gas tank appears to be 54-55 style
all in all, looks like a decent car to start with and enjoy, but if you're chasing correctness/authenticity then it will need some improvements.
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adaysnight
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:16 am Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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do you know if it has the correct split semaphores? if not, those are $$$ as well
gas tank appears to be 54-55 style
all in all, looks like a decent car to start with and enjoy, but if you're chasing correctness/authenticity then it will need some improvements. |
thank you for the detailed explanation, i'm seeing it more clearly now for what it is...
the seller states that semaphores are original ribbed and have been serviced to work as intended. the replaced wrong inside material is news to me as it was presented by the seller as original, as was all of the engine including bolt-on parts. i knew the distributor cap was a replacement and the nut on the pulley but not much more...
i also understand that the color is wrong and was not offered in a 52. as a good starter car what price range would you put it in, 20K? 30K? or 40K? i'm seeing complete ones in pristine condition go for 50K at auctions so... |
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Jimone
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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to add to what others have said:
the fuel pump is a later model. this car came with the 8mm flat top seen here:
the forward vent holes on the heater channels have incorrect shaped openings. they left the factory circular instead of rectangular/oval. like this one:
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RUNKLE
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 1:33 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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| the forward vent holes on the heater channels have incorrect shaped openings. they left the factory circular instead of rectangular/oval. |
No, they are the correct holes, it’s the easy to fix carpet kit that’s creating the illusion.
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| Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:20 pm Post subject: Re: 52 VIN question |
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| Jimone wrote: |
| the forward vent holes on the heater channels have incorrect shaped openings. they left the factory circular instead of rectangular/oval. |
No, they are the correct holes, it’s the easy to fix carpet kit that’s creating the illusion.
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most likely correct. i also suspect that it is the carpet, but once you are certain its been subjected to aftermarket modification it is difficult to know what has been done without inspecting it. the pic i referenced is with carpet in place to show the original factory appearance. that photo was taken from the gallery and was listed as a 1947 so its a loose reference only.
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