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Bug Owner Again
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 Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:05 am Post subject: [SOLVED] Headlights is stuck on high beams [SOLVED] THX!! |
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Hi again,
I am full of questions 
My headlights are stuck on high beams. The blue light is on all the time (on speedometer gauge),and when I pull back on the turn signal handle (assuming this is where my high beams are) there is no click on pressure felt. I have printed off a wiring diagram for my 70 Beetle, and diagram of the relays for high beam. So I have some idea what wires go where. The man who owned it before me had all the wiring screwed up bad!!!! The tag light was wired up to reverse lights lol.
So does anyone have an idea where to start with this problem? Since I don't feel the turn signal switch clicking do you think this is where the problem might be? and if so can it be torn apart and repaired or do I have to but another one? is it the relay? I am going to out today to check that all the wire are wired up correctly.
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69vduber
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 6:59 am Post subject: |
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| Most likly the contact in the turn signal . take the steering wheel off and you will see the high beam contact ... might be dirty or broke. |
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gt1953
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Check the contact. you may be able to see it through the side near the turn signal lever. Mine had a lil peice of something fall out and the contact could not make contact.
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Bug Owner Again
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:35 pm Post subject: |
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| gt1953 wrote: |
| Check the contact. you may be able to see it through the side near the turn signal lever. Mine had a lil peice of something fall out and the contact could not make contact. |
You was correct I could see the contacts and they was not touching each other so I used a screwdriver to make the contacts touch but nothing happen and my high beams remained on and the blue light in spedo remained on as well. So I took it apart and the turn signal unit fell apart with little pieces coming out of it, Just my luck.  and the contacts are in pretty rough shape as well.
Do you have idea where to buy this whole turn signal unit? I just did a search and found a turn signal unit here:
http://www.socalautoparts.com/product_info.php?cPa...4fb5f43438
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Bug Owner Again
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 1:45 pm Post subject: |
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| 69vduber wrote: |
| Most likly the contact in the turn signal . take the steering wheel off and you will see the high beam contact ... might be dirty or broke. |
Yep it is broke but I don't think that is why my high beams are remaining on. I touch the two contacts together and noting happened and high beams remained on. I also noticed that on the back of this turn signal unit,it looks as if there was three wires cut of it. Any idea what it could of been?
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JerryMCarter1
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are the three cut wires still there ?-- close by
and do you have a volt ohm meter ?
you can try to color check the wires - from a schematic
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Randy in Maine
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I once had a headlight that had sorted out internally and the high beams would not come off.
Not common to have happen though. |
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Joel
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Those cut 3 wires are part of the European side marker setup, not hooked up in most other countries which is why they are cut off.
The parts that have fallen out are actually the contacts for the turn signal part nothing to do with highbeam.
It may be that your relay is bad, to check find the wire usually marked "S" and brown with a white stripe going from the switch to the relay.
If you ground this on something metal if the relay is ok the highbeam will flash if the headlights are off.
If nothing happens it's most likely the relay is dead or a wiring issue.
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Bug Owner Again
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| JerryMCarter1 wrote: |
are the three cut wires still there ?-- close by
and do you have a volt ohm meter ?
you can try to color check the wires - from a schematic |
No their is no extra wires coming up out of the steering column.Yes I do have a ohm meter. I cant see any sheathing of the wires to see any colors,on the picture I posted there is three wires on top and directly below each contact looks as if there use to be wires connected and someone has cut them off. Everything works fine in the beetle except the headlights,and the horn. So it might have been made like that. |
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I would start to check to see if your beams (headlights themselves) are good and then follow the hot power from the low beam wire to the source -- this allows you to check the wires as you go. And check the ground wire right out of the headlight
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| Posted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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| one of two things for your headlight issue. The relay is bad or your turn signal (dimmer function) is bad, ground "S" on your relay and it should switch over to low beams. the turn signal switch can be put back together if you didn't loose anything, or buy new one for 40-60 bucks. |
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Bug Owner Again
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| Posted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Duane wrote: |
| one of two things for your headlight issue. The relay is bad or your turn signal (dimmer function) is bad, ground "S" on your relay and it should switch over to low beams. the turn signal switch can be put back together if you didn't loose anything, or buy new one for 40-60 bucks. |
Hey There Duane I grounded out the "S" on the relay and it went to the low beams soIi traced the wire from the "S" post on the relay and the idiot who owned the bug had it spliced to another wire,through the drivers side fender and zip tied to the horn lol. So I checked the schematic and seen that the wire was suppose to be connected to the headlight switch on steering column. The wire that was in its place was grounded to the back of the speedometer. lol
I am not sure if I have all of the pieces that fell out of the turn signal switch unit. I have a ball bearing,spring,piece of metal and a plastic piece. I will drill out the rivet later this evening to see if I can figure how that thing fits together.
Thank you all for your help!!
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Duane
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Randy, cool deal.
Looks like your missing a few parts from your pictures. I just took one apart the other day to fix contact issue with my NEW turn signal switch. |
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Bug Owner Again
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| Duane wrote: |
Randy, cool deal.
Looks like your missing a few parts from your pictures. I just took one apart the other day to fix contact issue with my NEW turn signal switch. |
So what do you do after you remove the rivet? Do you install another rivet,or nut & bolt when you put it back together?
okay I found out that the bent cooper strip goes under for the contacts and I need two small springs,guess I am headed back out to the beetle with a flashlight.lol
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157894
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Bug Owner Again
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| Duane wrote: |
Randy, cool deal.
Looks like your missing a few parts from your pictures. I just took one apart the other day to fix contact issue with my NEW turn signal switch. |
So what do you do after you remove the rivet? Do you install another rivet,or nut & bolt when you put it back together?
Is this all the parts that is suppose to be here? where does the little cooper strip (that is bent on both sides) go? Should i have one big spring and two small springs? I only found two springs
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Bug Owner Again
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| Duane wrote: |
Randy, cool deal.
Looks like your missing a few parts from your pictures. I just took one apart the other day to fix contact issue with my NEW turn signal switch. |
okay I found out that the bent cooper strip goes under for the contacts and I need two small springs,guess I am headed back out to the beetle with a flashlight.lol
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157894 |
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Duane
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| Duane wrote: |
Randy, cool deal.
Looks like your missing a few parts from your pictures. I just took one apart the other day to fix contact issue with my NEW turn signal switch. |
okay I found out that the bent cooper strip goes under for the contacts and I need two small springs,guess I am headed back out to the beetle with a flashlight.lol
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=157894 |
in the past pictures, next to one spring, there is a plastic piece, you should have two off those, plus a spring that is shaped link a W, thats all part of the turn signal cancel function.
I just held mine together till I got it screwed back into the steering column.
The flat piece of metal is a spring and pushes on that other piece of plastic, that is posted in your last picture. The angled tab faces inward, with the longer portion of the angle being down.
Here is a picture of mine, first is a picture with turn signal not selected.
and picture with turn signal selected, note the little tab slides out. If you look at the little tit that is in the slot (of the piece that slides out) you will see the flat spring pushing on it.
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Bug Owner Again
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| Duane wrote: |
Randy, cool deal.
Looks like your missing a few parts from your pictures. I just took one apart the other day to fix contact issue with my NEW turn signal switch.] |
Thx for the pics, i just got on here to post a pic to tell you I have it together and fixed,BUT........................ after I seen your pics you have posted I see that I am missing a lot of parts that was never under the steering wheel when I took it off. I don't have any of the parts for the turn signal cancel function.  So I felt pretty good I got this thing together and fixed (thought I saved $45.00) after having the small springs flying out several times and that dam BB/ball bearing hitting my cat. But it looks as if I have to buy another switch so my turn signals will turn off. But thx again for all the great pics and tips Duane
I had it together and taped and ready for install in the morning (just me luck) but at least I have the knowledge of repairing a turn signal switch now 
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Duane
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ya, I figured you were missing some of the parts by the pics you posted. When you get a new switch it will have a few extra wires on the three additional contacts, not needed for US cars.
Here's a good bit of info to help out with the install on the new switch. http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ovh_68-71_turn-hazard_wiring.pdf
BTW, hope your cats ok.  |
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Bug Owner Again
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| Duane wrote: |
ya, I figured you were missing some of the parts by the pics you posted. When you get a new switch it will have a few extra wires on the three additional contacts, not needed for US cars.
Here's a good bit of info to help out with the install on the new switch. http://www.oldvolkshome.com/ovh_68-71_turn-hazard_wiring.pdf
BTW, hope your cats ok. |
Dont worry about the cat,its noting that my Dremel and I cant take care of.lol
Thx for all of your help!!!
Randy |
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