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volksbus
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 Posted: Mon Jun 17, 2024 7:34 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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Correct measurements from a glazer:
Notes taken from both an OG surviving windscreen and a re-cut that was in my bus more than 30 years.
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| Posted: Thu Jun 06, 2024 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| volksbus wrote: |
| Help. I'm trying to find.a drawing with dimensions for my front windscreen glass, 1967, not safari. |
The window opening is your best bet if you do not have a piece of example glass handy. Use a piece of cardboard to trace it out. Then someone should be able to give you the top to bottom dimension. Say just for example that measurement is 6 mm more than your tracing, then add 3mm all the way around to your template.
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volksbus
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| Posted: Tue Jun 04, 2024 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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Help. I'm trying to find.a drawing with dimensions for my front windscreen glass, 1967, not safari.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2023 12:17 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| I believe it would have come with Sigla ~~ D 06 windshields. |
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Douglas Denlinger
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| Posted: Sat Oct 01, 2022 2:35 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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September of 60, US spec bus, would the windshields be Sigla or Delog....over all consensus?? Thanks
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| Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2020 3:53 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| On German buses it's Securit all around, unless you special ordered laminated windshields. The M-Code for that was 090 |
I've got most of the securit glass from a 15w euro, there's side glass, door glass, rear corner glass and hatch glass. Pretty sure the safaris are securit too and these are laminated, were the special order euro windshields securit, been trying to work out the glass for years. |
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John Ghia
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:17 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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Thanks Riff Raff. Yes I’ve been looking for 5mm laminated glass and have only found tempered glass in 5mm. I wasn’t t sure if the overall outside shape was exactly the same, Sekurit vs Sigla. So now I can take the Sekurit to the glass shop and have them copy it, minus the holes.
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Riff Raff
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| Does anyone know if the slider glass share the same dimensions? Can I use a Sekurit glass as a pattern for a Sigla slider? |
Yes
Original glass is 5mm thick and most replacement glass available now (here at least) is 6mm.
I used 6mm glass in the kombi with original seals and it fit fine.
Might be a little tight with new seals?
Just something to be aware of.
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John Ghia
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| Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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Does anyone know if the slider glass share the same dimensions? Can I use a Sekurit glass as a pattern for a Sigla slider?
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| Posted: Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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Resurrecting an old thread.
I have seen no discussion of date codes on any of the glass.
While re installing glass on the 306 Kombi, I came across this stamping on the edge of the glass.
Appears to me to be a date code. It read 12 U 9
Any insight on this?
As another data point to the general discussion, unmolested Sept 58 Kombi has a mixture of
SIGLA
AS-1
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SIGLA
AS-1
D06
glass all around No pattern as to which windows have which logo with the possible exception of both popouts are D 06.
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| Posted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:01 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| oakman wrote: |
Tim, is that the piece from your 57' Kombi? That's a cool one! |
Yes, 1957 Kombi. All of the glass is Sigla, even the windshields which could have been replaced at some point.
There are no pinholes anywhere near the two snowflakes. It has to be a defect in the plastic. I'd agree with heat being an agent in the creation. The bus sat outside in the high Mojave Desert for many years- Littlerock, CA, home of the EZ Camper.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 7:55 am Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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| My 60 panel has which I’m pretty sure all original glass. Has sekurit every where except front windshields are Delog. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2018 5:55 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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That "snowflake" is interesting. Laminated glass actually cracks very easily, since it is raw annealed glass, and cannot be tempered due to the plastic. That effect would likely be from a small star pattern break which then over time allowed moisture to seep in between the glass and plastic.
Recreating that quickly would be difficult. Causing a similar break would be easy enough, just lay the glass on a solid flat surface and use a steel punch to make an impact mark. After that would be just a guess, but probably put boiling water on top of the break and use a suction cup to form a plunger effect, forcing the water down into the cracks. Heat is used during the laminated cutting process to soften the plastic while the score lines are created on both pieces of glass simultaneously. Once the score line is broken out, the plastic is just trimmed with a utility knife. So my guess is that hot water would help separate the glass from the plastic when applied by forcing it into the crack. |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 11:45 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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Tim, is that the piece from your 57' Kombi? That's a cool one!
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| Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2018 7:42 pm Post subject: Re: Sekurit vs. Sigla glass |
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I see this thread has aged a bit, but wanted to add some info and to ask for some. I saw that the size for the stationary glass was shown in the first page of posts. Does anyone have the measurements for the slider?
Also, the question was asked if laminated glass is still available in the correct thickness. The answer is yes. I work for a glass custom cut/temper plant. We produce mostly safety glass, but we cut laminated as well. I don't know every size, but we have 5mm for sure, which is 2 sheets of 2.2mm with .6mm plastic sandwiched. As far as safety glass, we produce 3,4,5, and 6mm.
That's why I need the measurements. I'm just going to cut and temper my own, or go with laminated (most likely laminated).
Everett directed me here for the logos, which is good, as I can download them and logo the glass. Unfortunately, it will be laser-etched, so it won't look as original if I do it. I might just etch a random picture onto each piece for fun instead. |
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