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Yabbadubbadoo
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 Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2023 1:27 am Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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| Yabbadubbadoo wrote: |
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| Your 4 black metal pieces all look identical to me. |
Is there any chance mine are for inside the window?
Looks like i'm missing the correct external clips. |
YES - That's what it is. They are inside ones ! Sorry, completely missed those in the semi dark of my garage yesterday !!! |
I'm so glad I have the inside ones. I ordered the outers from ISP west but noticed the inner covers, which I have, are on backorder. I really want to install all my glass soon and tick it off the loooong list of things to do.
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Qldelsie
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 5:33 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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| Yabbadubbadoo wrote: |
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| Your 4 black metal pieces all look identical to me. |
Is there any chance mine are for inside the window?
Looks like i'm missing the correct external clips. |
YES - That's what it is. They are inside ones ! Sorry, completely missed those in the semi dark of my garage yesterday !!! |
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Yabbadubbadoo
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| Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:19 am Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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| Qldelsie wrote: |
| Your 4 black metal pieces all look identical to me. |
Is there any chance mine are for inside the window?
Looks like i'm missing the correct external clips.
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Qldelsie
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:10 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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Your 4 black metal pieces all look identical to me. From the photos of mine below, you can see that the window rubber to the front of the clip is a totally different shape to the rubber to the rear of the clip - The rubber to the front is a much "fuller" shape. As a result the black metal covers are actually shaped differently at their rear edge than at their front edge, so as to fit snuggly over the differing rubber shapes. So my clips (which AFAIK are original on my 1970 FB) are very definitely two different shapes. None of yours (to me) look correct because none of them would fit on the differing rubber shapes. That is of course presuming your rubber does change its shape at that point ? If it doesn't, then I would hazard a guess that your rubber is for non pop-out windows ????
Thinking about it, the rubber HAS to be 2 different shapes - The rubber forward of the clips is bigger because the glass actually sits inside it, held firmly in place in a U channel. The rubber to the rear of the clips only seals when the window is pulled shut by the clips. It can't be the bigger section with the U channel or the window wouldn't open.
(Edit - Out of interest I have a small bolt welded into my window frame, facing inwards, top and bottom, and it pushes through the rubber when you fit it. You then have to get a very small and fiddly nut inside the rubber channel and onto the little bolt. It was fiddly and that little nut fell down into crevices below several times !!)
Haven't got a clue what those silver clips are for - Don't think I have them on my windows ! I have seen them somewhere on the car, I think, but can't remember where ! Am sure someone else will know.
Top RH window clip and rubber
Close up of front end of clip over wider rubber
Close up of rear end of clip, over narrower rubber.
Another view of entire clip
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Yabbadubbadoo
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| Posted: Sat Jun 03, 2023 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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Resurrecting this thread with a couple of queries.
I bought a set of popout frames a few years ago. The black metal clips were included but they all seem exactly the same. When I go to ISP west and search the same products there seems to be Left outer, right outer, and inner clips.
How many of each do you need? 2x left outer, 2x rght outer, 4x inner????
This is what I got in my purchase. I have no Idea what the Z shaped clips are for and the four black clips look exactly the same but dont look like the ISP outer clips.
I'm a bit confused on this one. Help would be appreciated.
Test fitting the frames, i discovered I didnt have all the holes drilled from factory. They only did 2 holes for the threads on the frames and each frame needs 4. My car never had popouts installed so that might explain it.
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Max Welton
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squaretobehip
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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Well, shit. I don't have a Fastback handy so I'm going by the parts book. If the outer is two clips each, I wonder if the lower left doubles as the upper right, and vice versa? I'll do some digging I guess.
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Max Welton
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:39 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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It's the "outer left" and "outer right" that have me confused.
Each window needs two outer clips ... that's four outer clips. I have the left window done.
The lower clip on the left window is the same as the upper clip on the right window. The upper clip on the left window is the same as the lower clip on the right window.
I'm missing the upper outer clip for the right window. Which part number is that?
Max
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squaretobehip
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:46 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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ISPs labeling of these is confusing. They have the outer clips listed as
311847159A "outer left"
311847160A "outer right"
I think it's 311847159A I need, correct?
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Looks like the bubbles are wrong on the site.
What you need:
311 847 157 - Cap, inner (Qty: 2) - These fit left or right, they are not sided
311 847 159A - Cap, outer left (Qty: 1)
311 847 160A - Cap, outer right (Qty: 1)
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W1K1
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| Posted: Mon Aug 15, 2022 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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I've used the lepages or weldwood solvent based for headliners
https://www.amazon.ca/00271-Weldwood-Original-Cont...&psc=1
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Max Welton
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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| Can anybody recommend a better adhesive for this? |
I always used contact cement for headliners, the stinky stuff , not the water based crap. |
Thanks. Since I already have it, I'm trying the 3M Weatherstrip and Gasket adhesive. It's all clipped up. Maybe give it a day to really set.
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 I don't think that will do so well brother. Maybe well enough to hold it while you put the seal in. |
I have to agree with Notchboy on this. The contact cement will do a better job holding the headliner in place, especially around the windows (that's what VW used back in the day).
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notchboy
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| Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:42 am Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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| Can anybody recommend a better adhesive for this? |
I always used contact cement for headliners, the stinky stuff , not the water based crap. |
Thanks. Since I already have it, I'm trying the 3M Weatherstrip and Gasket adhesive. It's all clipped up. Maybe give it a day to really set.
Max |
I don't think that will do so well brother. Maybe well enough to hold it while you put the seal in.
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Max Welton
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 2:22 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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| Can anybody recommend a better adhesive for this? |
I always used contact cement for headliners, the stinky stuff , not the water based crap. |
Thanks. Since I already have it, I'm trying the 3M Weatherstrip and Gasket adhesive. It's all clipped up. Maybe give it a day to really set.
Max
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Max Welton
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squaretobehip
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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Your main headliner should be installed first, with the post pieces installed after. Looks like you have it reversed here. Should be much tighter as well, but I'm sure you already know that now.
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| Posted: Tue Aug 09, 2022 9:16 am Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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| Can anybody recommend a better adhesive for this? |
I always used contact cement for headliners, the stinky stuff , not the water based crap.
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Max Welton
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:41 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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Roping the seal in ... take 1. Not entirely successful.
Problem 1: I positioned the rope wrong at the studs such that the rope was behind the studs when I started pulling. I know better now.
Problem 2: Even though I did get the seal pulled to the inside, one part at the rear, didn't seat far enough. I can probably start by push that part in first next time.
Problem 3: The headliner material gets pulled out by the rope. I'm using 3M Hi-Strength Adhesive and it just can't hold the material. So right now it's a mess I'll have to fix before the next attempt.
Can anybody recommend a better adhesive for this?
Max
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Max Welton
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2022 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: Fastback Pop-out window seals |
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That worked OK.
The difference:
1) Carefully excavate the channel for the frame ends with a knife. I couldn't even see where that channel was without cutting.
2) Glue the glass into the forward part of the seal. This makes installing the trim easy-peasy.
However, the 3M adhesive is really tough to get off once it sets up. On the second window I'll clean up while it's still wet.
The left side window is ready to be roped in.
Max
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