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CraigInPA Samba Member
Joined: March 09, 2011 Posts: 217 Location: Norristown, PA
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Posted: Thu Jul 21, 2011 6:33 am Post subject: |
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I don't think we'll ever see a lightweight, mechanically simple, door-removable, windscreen-foldable, top-removable, no-roll-bar, no-three-point-safety-belts, bare bones vehicle introduced into the US market unless it's an LSV/NEV. The safety bureaucrats have spoken and cars have to be safe now. Safety adds weight and complexity. By the time VW would meet all the safety hurdles, the replacement Thing would be the size and weight of a Jeep.
There's a market outside the US, but it's unlikely that VW will ever go after it, because even then, it's pretty small with a lot of competition already in place.
It's a shame, I would have liked to see a successor to the 183 Iltis that had metal removable doors with roll-up windows.
But, back to the LSV/NEV, I do think there's a marketplace for one of these with the ugly cuteness and versitility of the Thing. In fact, if there was one, I'd probably buy it.
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sixty9fasty Samba Member

Joined: April 12, 2004 Posts: 1066 Location: crockett, ca
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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rovnrev wrote: |
my $.02. retro is in, but it probably only has about 10 years maybe 20 left in the automotive industry. the mustang was a hit but its already diverging from its retro styling, the mini was a huge hit, the new beetle (girl car with flower vase aside) was a pretty good hit. VW probably squandered the first gen new beetle with pastel colors and girlishness and the GTI only had retro plaid inside. VW is still a less reliable japanese car that is trying to take on Audi and BMW with crap like the CC and Phaton isntead of hitting the retro trend with affordable yet enjoyable driving cars.
but on the other hand lets look at failed retros. the camaro is an ugly turd, the GTO was an aussie car with a badge, the charger is an ugly turd, the T-bird from a few years back was a limp d*ck, Jeep is self destructing itself (TJ with round headlights was spot on) the JK is an oversized/underpowered/lame mini hummer, the HHR wtf was that?, FJ cruiser is cool/capable but its way way overpriced and packed with driver hindering electronics, umm fiat 500 no one cared about then or now.
might as well mention ford GT and mercedes sls but no one here can afford one unless its a poster to hang over your bed to diddle yourself to at night.
my point is retro is a big big gamble after you factor in modern safety, fuel economy, and all the tards that are the mass market automakers have to play to. what made all these vehicles cool was the originality of their designs when they were new and fresh on the market. |
The Challenger is Cool! And I'm pissed the new Scirrocco isn't making it stateside. |
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NOVA Airhead Samba Member

Joined: July 20, 2005 Posts: 5225 Location: Richmond, VA
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Posted: Wed Jul 20, 2011 7:12 am Post subject: |
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Remember The Thing was an existing military vehicle that VW was already producing. It took little in additional investment to commercialize it. This also was done by circumventing safety rules - a loophole that quickly closed.
I doubt the volumes would be there to justify ground-up development. It would have to be a vehicle that could be esily extended off of an existing platform without cannabilizing the sales of the "host" platform.
I think it would be a longshot to see a new Thing. A retro car works by having a strong connection to the original. If VW did surprise everyone and produce a new Thing I cannot see them using the name again which would mean the connection would be lost to the original. _________________ Ghia Owner Emeritus |
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Lettuce Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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just needs to be a four door convertible.. |
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rovnrev Samba Member

Joined: July 13, 2010 Posts: 119 Location: Phoenix & Tucson, AZ
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Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2011 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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my $.02. retro is in, but it probably only has about 10 years maybe 20 left in the automotive industry. the mustang was a hit but its already diverging from its retro styling, the mini was a huge hit, the new beetle (girl car with flower vase aside) was a pretty good hit. VW probably squandered the first gen new beetle with pastel colors and girlishness and the GTI only had retro plaid inside. VW is still a less reliable japanese car that is trying to take on Audi and BMW with crap like the CC and Phaton isntead of hitting the retro trend with affordable yet enjoyable driving cars.
but on the other hand lets look at failed retros. the camaro is an ugly turd, the GTO was an aussie car with a badge, the charger is an ugly turd, the T-bird from a few years back was a limp d*ck, Jeep is self destructing itself (TJ with round headlights was spot on) the JK is an oversized/underpowered/lame mini hummer, the HHR wtf was that?, FJ cruiser is cool/capable but its way way overpriced and packed with driver hindering electronics, umm fiat 500 no one cared about then or now.
might as well mention ford GT and mercedes sls but no one here can afford one unless its a poster to hang over your bed to diddle yourself to at night.
my point is retro is a big big gamble after you factor in modern safety, fuel economy, and all the tards that are the mass market automakers have to play to. what made all these vehicles cool was the originality of their designs when they were new and fresh on the market. _________________ VW Fact #422: #1 on the 1965 VW dealer service checklist was "Avoid answering complaints with an off-hand: 'All VWs have that trouble". It's not true, and besides, small consolation to the owner." |
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Joe 20 Samba Member

Joined: August 27, 2005 Posts: 656 Location: Ohio
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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That's so ugly it's...ugly!  |
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Semper_Dad Samba Member

Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 3535 Location: Indiana
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joescoolcustoms Samba Member

Joined: August 08, 2006 Posts: 9054 Location: West By God Virginia
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Posted: Mon Jul 18, 2011 8:40 am Post subject: |
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That has some serious ugly going on. _________________ Bad News Racing 2018 NORRA 1000 3rd in Class
Best Day Ever Racing 2022 NORRA 1000 2nd in Class and first All Female team to complete the race
Everyone is gifted. Some just do not open the package.
Looks like it was painted with a live chicken,polished with a brick and buffed with a pine cone |
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wes.outside Samba Member
Joined: September 08, 2008 Posts: 121 Location: Cody, WY
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Ferretkona Samba Member

Joined: December 03, 2005 Posts: 1306 Location: Columbia, CA
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Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2010 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: What if the Thing was rereleased? |
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,,,Keep yer fingers crossed, it still could happen, Heck, they redid the Camaro and the Challenger!!,,,. |
And Chrysler got two goverment bailouts and Chevy got one bailout. _________________ 74 181 Thing
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doublecanister Samba Member

Joined: September 23, 2008 Posts: 1214 Location: Richmond, Va
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Posted: Thu Dec 02, 2010 7:22 pm Post subject: Re: What if the Thing was rereleased? |
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BuddingAD wrote: |
I'm working on an advertising thesis, so this is all in theory.
What I'm wondering is if VW decided to re-release the Thing- like they did with the Beetle, do you think there'd be a market for it?
Let's say it was pretty much the same as it was 25 years ago, with a few minor modernizations.
I really feel the Thing was ahead of it's time. the first compact SUV almost. And I think in today's market, it could be a fuel efficient fun alternative.
What do you fans think? Is it greatness factor based on its rarity or its over all fun factor? |
Tis' a good question, I've met alot of folks who never seen a THING before and fell in love with it.
I just did a local Christmas parade, I had folks actually yelling, Hey it's a THING, or "look at that car" From 6year old Girl and Boy scouts to just folks watching about every 3 to 4 car lenghts some one said a postive comment.
So the "draw" is there, it's so ugly it's cute (as my wife says).
But you'd have to maintain the 'ugly' if they moderized it "too much"
it'd be a too different, youd' have to look at a New one and know right away, Hey that's a NEW THING Wow, I didnt know they still made them!
And the 'useability', removable doors, folding windshield, "Hose it out" like the old add's say, I know folks who'd love em for hunting vehicles, or beach cruzers.
4wd would be a nice option, but if it maintained the rear engine prob wouldnt need.
Theyd have to amp up some advertising to "learn' the public just what a THING used to be and what todays version is like (what we learned about Things in 37 years of research)
IF the price was right I'd buy one!
Keep yer fingers crossed, it still could happen, Heck, they redid the Camaro and the Challenger!!
Why not THINGS?
T. _________________ ****************************************
2020 - Mustang Eco Boost [High Performance]
1973 - Thing
1966 - Mustang GT- Fastback
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GI Joe Samba Member

Joined: April 28, 2005 Posts: 2013 Location: Athens, TN
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Van-go108 Samba Member

Joined: November 23, 2006 Posts: 2995 Location: Southwestern, NM
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Notice the "Earmuffed" hood. Lots of work and, hell, I may have to say it, I would "roll it" but, with a few alterations. It's amazing to me the trouble some will go through to be creative, sometimes actually successfully. _________________ "Okay, so there's 6 beers and 5 of us. You know what this means don't you? 4 of you are going to have to leave."
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Semper_Dad Samba Member

Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 3535 Location: Indiana
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Van-go108 Samba Member

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Van-go108 Samba Member

Joined: November 23, 2006 Posts: 2995 Location: Southwestern, NM
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 6:35 pm Post subject: |
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Bravo
Now lose some of that pointy snout. _________________ "Okay, so there's 6 beers and 5 of us. You know what this means don't you? 4 of you are going to have to leave."
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Lettuce Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 5:47 pm Post subject: |
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not sure what to think of that one. Its ugly, but not in a good way. Here it is with some flaws corrected.
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Semper_Dad Samba Member

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Doc*181 wrote: |
The last Kubels were made upon 1980 as VW type 181 Kurierwagen (Courier car) in Mexico and imported to Germany. After a total of 140.768 cars made, this model was replaced by the VW Iltis. A next generation could look like this.[/i] |
Danke _________________ Walküre Restoration Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=737492 |
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Doc*181 Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 2:27 pm Post subject: |
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Van-go108 wrote: |
"Der letzte Kübel wurde bis 1980 als VW Typ 181 Kurierwagen in Mexiko (Puebla) hergestellt und nach Deutschland importiert. Nach insgesammt 140.768 Fahrzeuge wurde diese Modell von VW Iltis abgelöst. So könnte ein Nachfolger aussehen."
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The last Kubels were made upon 1980 as VW type 181 Kurierwagen (Courier car) in Mexico and imported to Germany. After a total of 140.768 cars made, this model was replaced by the VW Iltis. A next generation could look like this. _________________ Thing stuff:
http://vw181.skynetblogs.be/ |
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Semper_Dad Samba Member

Joined: May 14, 2005 Posts: 3535 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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Van-go108 wrote: |
Bump!?
Look what I found. Gawd, I hope not.
http://autotopic.de/erlkoenige.html
"Der letzte Kübel wurde bis 1980 als VW Typ 181 Kurierwagen in Mexiko (Puebla) hergestellt und nach Deutschland importiert. Nach insgesammt 140.768 Fahrzeuge wurde diese Modell von VW Iltis abgelöst. So könnte ein Nachfolger aussehen."
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Babelfish Says:
The last "excavator bucket" was manufactured until 1980 as VOLKSWAGEN type 181 courier cars in Mexico (Puebla) and imported to Germany. After 140,768 vehicles this model insgesammt(???) from VOLKSWAGEN Iltis was replaced. So a successor could look.
(You get the jist)
My Notes:
Looks a bit Amphibian.
The "New Beetle" started out as a "design exercise"
Needs a rollbar and softtop
And just when you thought it was funny watching us "old guys" climbing in and out of our original 181s. This one would give the younger pups a hard time _________________ Walküre Restoration Thread: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=737492 |
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