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SGKent 
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 Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 9:48 am Post subject: Re: Steering box lube |
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Stalube GL4 from NAPA
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vintage water
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| Posted: Wed May 25, 2022 9:20 am Post subject: Re: Steering box lube |
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in the end you would recommend which oil?
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Tcash
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| Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2018 10:09 pm Post subject: Re: Steering box lube |
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I purchased the Penrite Steering box lube and performed a very unscientific test on it.
Drop point: 170*C
Operating temperature range: -20C to 130C
Colour: Light Brown
One blob put in the refrigerator and brought down to 40*F
Second blob applied on 40*F plate at 75*F ambient Temp.
5 minute race is on.
5 minute race results. I wish I took more pictures. #75* took the lead laying down a thick film, just when I thought all was lost, #40* started picking up the pace laying down a thin film all the way to the end and beating #75* by a nose.
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Tcash
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Tcash
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| Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2018 5:52 pm Post subject: Penrite Steering box lube |
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Penrite Steering box lube
Manufacturer
https://www.penriteoil.com.au/applications/car-4wd/greases/steering-box-lube
USA Distributor
Part number LUB009
https://www.restorationstuff.com/ecommerce/
Parts Catalog
http://www.restorationstuff.com/pdf/RestorationSupplyCompany.pdf
Good Day Mates
Tcash
I purchased the Penrite Steering box lube and performed a very unscientific test on it.
Drop point: 170*C
Operating temperature range: -20C to 130C
Colour: Light Brown
One blob put in the refrigerator and brought down to 40*F
Second blob applied on 40*F plate at 75*F ambient Temp.
5 minute race is on.
5 minute race results. I wish I took more pictures. #75* took the lead laying down a thick film, just when I thought all was lost, #40* started picking up the pace laying down a thin film all the way to the end and beating #75* by a nose.
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Tcash
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Tcash
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| Posted: Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:06 pm Post subject: steering box lube |
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| bsairhead wrote: |
| John Deere corn head grease. And that's all i have to say about that. |
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raygreenwood
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| what about royal purple gear oil I've been very pleased with there products |
Excellent gear oil. Whether it would be any better or worse at corrosion protection.....maybe yes maybe no. Even synthetics are formulated from petroleum base stocks and have some sulphur in them.
As to whether it would be fine for a steering box.....it should be just fine as long as its an EP rated gear oil.
Whether it stays in or not or leaks out any faster....dont know. Ray |
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theramny
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| what about royal purple gear oil I've been very pleased with there products |
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raygreenwood
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| Wasted youth wrote: |
Just puting sacrifical copper parts into the transmission would also solve most of the issues. -Ray
How about a solid copper drain plug...with a magnetic core?
Some of the waste heat exchanger equipment I operated years ago in Uncle Sam's Canoe Club had sacrificial zinc anodes. Helped keep the seawater-fed shell and tube coolers from rotting away. |
They may help. I dont know if the surface area can work all of the oil....but if its working r8ght, over time it will turn green. Ray |
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| Link is not working. Did you get Corn head grease?.....if so....it will be interestkng to hear how it works. Ray |
Fixed the link, it is Super S 00 grease in a 1qt. gear oil type bottle. Cornhead grease would have been quite a bit cheaper but is a 0 grease and comes in a grease gun tube...
Doug
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Vendor Tractor Supply
Super S 00 grease in a 1qt. gear oil type bottle.
https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/super-s-cotton-picker-spindle-grease-00?cm_vc=-10005
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Just puting sacrifical copper parts into the transmission would also solve most of the issues. -Ray
How about a solid copper drain plug...with a magnetic core?
Some of the waste heat exchanger equipment I operated years ago in Uncle Sam's Canoe Club had sacrificial zinc anodes. Helped keep the seawater-fed shell and tube coolers from rotting away. |
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 9:07 pm Post subject: grease |
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Yepper's
Cornhead grease will suffice for your Vehicle
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raygreenwood
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Link is not working. Did you get Corn head grease?.....if so....it will be interestkng to hear how it works. Ray |
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dvancleve
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raygreenwood
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| John Deere corn head grease is another option. |
I'm going to be replacing my trashed South American bug steering box with what I think is a good old German one. Mine was originally oil filled, but based on what I've read I want to fill it with "pourable" grease so it can't (easily) leak out. John Deere Corn Head grease is the cheapest and easiest to get that I have found, is an appropriate lube if I get the box good and full 
Would it be better to keep looking for an NLGI grade 00 grease instead?
Thanks, Doug |
Corn head grease may not be what you want. Corn head (meaning for the corn harvestinh head drive on a farm combine)......is a bery special thixotropic grease....meaning it is HIGHLY shear thinning.....meaning at rest.....its a thick grease......until whatever is in it...starts moving. Then it thins to an oil consistency and then re-solidifes when you are no longer moving.
How much movement it takes to "shear thin" in a steering box that runs maybe a few rpm max.....and what its going to do in cold weather mornings...dont know. But.....the lubricant type is correct. Its used on combines that have the same issues....keeping lube in the gear box when normal gear oils fail to stay in.
There are specific thickened oils made just for steering gear boxes.....the link to the Penright product is one. Ray |
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dvancleve
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| busdaddy wrote: |
| John Deere corn head grease is another option. |
I'm going to be replacing my trashed South American bug steering box with what I think is a good old German one. Mine was originally oil filled, but based on what I've read I want to fill it with "pourable" grease so it can't (easily) leak out. John Deere Corn Head grease is the cheapest and easiest to get that I have found, is an appropriate lube if I get the box good and full
Would it be better to keep looking for an NLGI grade 00 grease instead?
Thanks, Doug
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| Something tells me that the "tight" spot in this box is going to be 90* off center. Don't know this for sure, but suspect it. It should certainly be checked and verified before any other work is done. |
I hadn't even considered that, but if the rebuilt box was installed with the tight spot centered, wheels straight, and the steering wheel removed and rotated 90* it should be ok.
However I have chosen to contact the rebuilder and return the rebuilt box in exchange for a box with the correct clamp bolt orientation for my camper. I'd rather spend money on postage than remove the turn signal switch and remove and rotate the steering wheel.
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center the box and mark it. It must feel tiny drag thru the center
Install the steel adapter to it where the bolt goes thru the groove
Install the puck and steering shaft
Pull the steering wheel and center it
Use the drag link ONLY to center the wheels to the box. |
Something tells me that the "tight" spot in this box is going to be 90* off center. Don't know this for sure, but suspect it. It should certainly be checked and verified before any other work is done. |
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