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PostPosted: Tue Aug 29, 2023 1:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Any updates on this one Martin?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2019 2:07 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

just stumbled on this thread. Amazing work! If possible Please keep going!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

just read the whole post, amazing metal work ! low budget splitty is so rare now ! =)
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 10:13 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Wow. Nice job getting that one out.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 15, 2018 9:34 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Hello everybody!

Next thing to fix ... differential drain plug. Someone attempted to open it with hammer and chisel... Looking at dents marks I think they failed...

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I made this tool:

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And also I made more room for the bolt head, hammering with a chisel: P, hammering a lot, this plug is hard!, tried to hit as unscrewing way, did not moved a bit.

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I tried unscrewing...

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Really hard ... it did not work out ... I heated it with gas torch for a while ...
Let it cold down ... tried again, nothing.
Heated again ... tried while still hot ... success !! Very Happy Very Happy

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Oil drained was super dense... just as mud.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Ouch - that is truly a horrible piece of work.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 13, 2018 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Someone hammered on the clutch lever onto the shaft... Brick wall

So I made a tool to extract it, because it was really tight...

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Extraction wasn't so hard with the tool, but after that, I realize this person missed one thread, and put it wrong position... of course this could not contribute to get it in place softly... afterhand, hammering it was more appropriate...
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They never had to use the c-clip Razz

Moreover... that bushing is going to cost me a good headache.
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 12, 2018 7:41 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

firula wrote:
BarryL wrote:
Excess is above .012 so you could go further and fix it all later. Now did you check them fully pressed inward? If not, check again as they will read too big if not in all the way.


Oh thank you! I will check again and make sure they are fully pressed inward, also will try to find out some tool to get snap rings off, and have a better look.
Many many thanks!


Yes!!! 0.004'' right, 0.008'' left, measuring fully pressed inward! Very Happy Very Happy
I suppose it will last several years! (I'd hope so) Rolling Eyes

Starting assembling as soon as paint dry rock hard.
Although I think I painted it wrong. It should not be gloss but semi gloss I think. Oh well... Embarassed

Thank you very much!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:44 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Sandblasting and painting:

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Looking better Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

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Excess is above .012 so you could go further and fix it all later. Now did you check them fully pressed inward? If not, check again as they will read too big if not in all the way.


Oh thank you! I will check again and make sure they are fully pressed inward, also will try to find out some tool to get snap rings off, and have a better look.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 7:15 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

firula wrote:
Thank you!!

I got one question, yesterday I measured fulcrum plates to axle clearance (witout removing snap rings, I lack of this tool). Measure 0.010'' and 0.012''... I understand maximum is 0.008''...They looks in good condition as far I can see, no corrosion nor dents.

The problem is that get new pairs are too expensive to me. Can I assemble anyways, drive the bus some time and replace them later?

I want to move on, altought don't want put all new box bearings to take all apart again really soon.

Opinions?

Excess is above .012 so you could go further and fix it all later. Now did you check them fully pressed inward? If not, check again as they will read too big if not in all the way.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2018 11:04 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Thank you!!

I got one question, yesterday I measured fulcrum plates to axle clearance (without removing snap rings, I lack of this tool). Measure 0.010'' and 0.012''... I understand maximum is 0.008''...They looks in good condition as far I can see, no corrosion nor dents.

The problem is that get new pairs are too expensive to me. Can I assemble anyways, drive the bus some time and replace them later?

I want to move on, altought don't want put all new box bearings to take all apart again really soon.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 10, 2018 10:04 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

firula wrote:
Hello people!! Well, has been a while... 2 years since last post... Lot of things happened since then. I obtained my private pilot licence, a pending duty back since I have memory. Also the birth of my second son... yes, I'm getting older.

Some days ago, I dreamed I drove the bus, all my family riding, in a trip to someplace... woke up and knew it's time to get back on project again.

So today I took reduction boxes and carry them for sandblasting. Will paint tomorrow.

I was far away from buses stuff this years... I got a mess of bolts, boxes, little things to repair... and so on. I'm already feeling the panic, the adrenaline and the beauty of restoration process.

I'm happy to be here again, wish all of you the best and I will start uploading pictures soon. Wink


Can't wait for some more updates! This is an awesome thread. Outstanding work so far Applause
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

firula wrote:
Hello people!! Well, has been a while... 2 years since last post... Lot of things happened since then. I obtained my private pilot licence, a pending duty back since I have memory. Also the birth of my second son... yes, I'm getting older.

Some days ago, I dreamed I drove the bus, all my family riding, in a trip to someplace... woke up and knew it's time to get back on project again.

So today I took reduction boxes and carry them for sandblasting. Will paint tomorrow.

I was far away from buses stuff this years... I got a mess of bolts, boxes, little things to repair... and so on. I'm already feeling the panic, the adrenaline and the beauty of restoration process.

I'm happy to be here again, wish all of you the best and I will start uploading pictures soon. Wink


Congratulations and welcome back! I just read through your entire thread, what an awesome job you're doing on your bus! Looking forward to seeing your progress again.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 09, 2018 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Hello people!! Well, has been a while... 2 years since last post... Lot of things happened since then. I obtained my private pilot licence, a pending duty back since I have memory. Also the birth of my second son... yes, I'm getting older.

Some days ago, I dreamed I drove the bus, all my family riding, in a trip to someplace... woke up and knew it's time to get back on project again.

So today I took reduction boxes and carry them for sandblasting. Will paint tomorrow.

I was far away from buses stuff this years... I got a mess of bolts, boxes, little things to repair... and so on. I'm already feeling the panic, the adrenaline and the beauty of restoration process.

I'm happy to be here again, wish all of you the best and I will start uploading pictures soon. Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

found you thread today. amazing job you're doing
i'm in a middle of a 61 wich is almost in the same phase as yours

i'm working in the gerabox as well

you can disassemble it a little more to visually inspect the gears

take the differencial covers off and remove the diff (there are also some more things to disassembly, but it's easy and you'll see them right away)
is also advisable to have a gearbox exploded view drawing around

there are 2 tipes of locks for the secondary shaft: the early one wich as 4 bolts and 2 locking plates, wich is the easiest to remove. the hardest has a crowned nut wich if you don't have a special tool you can take out by unscrewing it by tapping it with a hammer and a chisel

after doing that you can remove the nuts of the gearbox and with the help of a jack (if you don't have a special tool) you can press out the entire gearbox assembly

don't need to take out the snap rings of both shafts ends unles if you are removing the shafts ou of the gearbox assembly for changing damaged or weared parts

gear boxes are almost all the same for that period. they are also the same as the bug or type 3, so if your's as a visible problem is easy to find a replacement

another thing to take in mind is when you assemble the diff back in, check for the position: if you are using the RGB's the diferencial is inversed to the bug (probably in the inverse position of the drawing that you will use)

keep up the good work
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 5:49 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Just found this thread- you have great skills and glad to see your getting back into it.

I just took 3 sets of Big nut RGB's apart and had one bearing in all of them that was good. It seems the rgb is kind of a dirty sump for the trans and torn axle boots. -- all the crap has to go thru those big bearings before settling in the box. I'm going to run2 of them with $9 russian bearings and 2 with german bearings. Hopefully the results will be miles down the road.
To check prices- visit King bearing website- then there is "Bearing finder" who show you lots of choices for a small fee.

nobody seems to service the RGB's- one of mine had the outer small bearing race cage completely disappear- having been ground to a powder by the gears.

They are important as "dangerous bus" almost lost theirs due to bad reduction box.

Keep track of the fulcrum plates as "wheelie pete" on his way to alaska had the darn thing slip and cause trouble with the crown gears.

For some easy ways to get it back together - see my gallery and there are some ideas for reassembly.

About the trans- I would just run it- It's way easier to finish your bus and need a transmission than it is to put all your work on the back burner while you work on a problem that may not exist. I've run noisy, pop out of gear trans for months while I found the cash to get another one.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2015 3:36 am    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Go as further as taking the snap ring off that holds the crown gears/fulcrums.

Inspect those (check for cracks in the crown gears, wear in the plates), also have a good look inside the diff spider gears (check if they look worn etc), and have a good look at the ring gear teeth. You might find more problems or all might be ok.

The syncros is hard to tell, but if you don't have the tools or skills I wouldn't bother now, I would put the whole thing back together and continue the restoration of the kombi. That way you progress further in the restoration to get the car rolling on its own power again.

Worst case will be if the further items in the transmission were bad and will require you to take it out again and send to someone to rebuild it for you. It's 4 hour job max to get a transmission out, so don't let this hold you for days or weeks now from progressing further.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

firula wrote:
What do you think?

Hard to tell. You can put it neutral, 1, 2, 3, 4 and feel for gritty by turning pilot shaft but almost impossible to be certain of ring and pinion and bearings, etc. Be certain that your fulcrum plates are installed properly and haven't gone askew before adding your RGBs.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: 65 Bus Restoration - "La Macarena" Reply with quote

Pinetops wrote:
Any updates?


A little...

I purchased another transmission for the model. Reduction boxes bearings were worn out so after some exterior clean I started to disassemble.

I do not plan going further, I stopped here, I lack of tools to going deeper. I'm going to change the bearings on reduction boxes and assemble again.

What do you think? Should I send it to mechanic for a complete rebuild? The speed selector looks good, and all gears engages fine.

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