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one4house
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Nice work. My grand plan is to get a type 4 in mine someday. The stock 1600 sucks in the mountains. 7000 ft+ elevation doesn't help things either.
I know where I can pick a type 4 up cheap, but the condition is unknown. One of these days.
Again, very nice work.
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Multi69s
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Bleyseng
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I am also a carb man myself. Since I was knee high to a grasshopper, I've been around all sort of high performance engines. From hopped up VWs & Porsches, to 2 & 4 stroke dirtbikes. If you wanted good performace, you had to know how to read the engine and jet it. Now distributers and advance curve is another story. I know the basics (well maybe a little more), but I have a lot to learn. This is one area that is kind of a dark art, and it is hard to get info on.
I have been trying to gather all the advance curve graphs that I can and it has been my latest obsession (when I have time). I have been making a few special tools for testing different compenents of the dizzys, but all they will give me is static information. I have all my feelers out for a distributer machine though.
For my setup, the 050 is far better then the 009, but it has some of its own issues. I like the feel of the curve, but I now feel that it has too much advance built into the distributer. So before it gets too hot and I can find some free time somewhere, I want to do a little playing with some different distributers and see if I can make something a little better for my setup. |
So what do you have this engine timed at?? Most t4's like 28 degrees of advance at 3500rpms using a mechanical with vac adv dizzy. The vac is nice for off idle and the rest is up to the mech adv.
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Multi69s
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jaransonT3 
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Just a side note, there is also something else a little different on my SB, that no one seems to have noticed. Hints: Remember, this is a 73, Normally for this year it requires welding, it is somewhere in the middle of the car. |
You added pop-out windows. Nice conversion...on all counts.
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Otislee
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Did u chop the rearview mirror?
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Multi69s
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Mike, is this the one?
Bus 1975-Early 1976 * 1800 (75), 2000 (76) Auto Trans - Distributor: VW 021-905-205AC, Bosch 0231 176 055.
I have a distributor in my collection that has a very similar curve. The clean one in the middle of the bottom row (has writing on it). It is a T1 one though, and sometimes they are hard to get in there even when flipping the pad on the bottom.
You will be getting a PM from me in the near future about this or some other parts that you may have.
I also need to raid my dad's sheds one of these days to see what he may have
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Mike Fisher
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I have a correct 69 FI/AT distributor in my square. I'll ship you the Bus distributor for $65.
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Mike Fisher
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It is aluminum w/big dual outlet vacuum advance.
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Mike Fisher
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I just scored an 055 bus distributor out of the 57 oval rag. It was the Only thing I "stole" out of the car Taylor! Scouts Honor! 
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Multi69s
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I am also a carb man myself. Since I was knee high to a grasshopper, I've been around all sort of high performance engines. From hopped up VWs & Porsches, to 2 & 4 stroke dirtbikes. If you wanted good performace, you had to know how to read the engine and jet it. Now distributers and advance curve is another story. I know the basics (well maybe a little more), but I have a lot to learn. This is one area that is kind of a dark art, and it is hard to get info on.
I have been trying to gather all the advance curve graphs that I can and it has been my latest obsession (when I have time). I have been making a few special tools for testing different compenents of the dizzys, but all they will give me is static information. I have all my feelers out for a distributer machine though.
For my setup, the 050 is far better then the 009, but it has some of its own issues. I like the feel of the curve, but I now feel that it has too much advance built into the distributer. So before it gets too hot and I can find some free time somewhere, I want to do a little playing with some different distributers and see if I can make something a little better for my setup.
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Gone, but many fond memories 69 Baja Bug 2010 - 5 Rib Bus Transaxle
Gone but not forgotten 72 Baja Bug 2010
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T4 into Squareback http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=458944&highlight=
Auto Trans Rebuild http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=516066&highlight=
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tdrrally
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very well done
thank you for sharing. |
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Bobnotch
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Thanks for the info. I'll have to check the manifolds I have here to see how tall they are. I've got them, along with both carbs (Solex), and the linkage.
Mine's currently FI, but I'm really a carb guy, so this swap may happen some time down the road.
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kooldub
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strong work and great write up! square looks real good and sounds like fun ride! 
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Multi69s
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To be truthful, I "think" that they are short bus manifolds, I still have these manifolds and they measure approximately 4-1/2” high. If anyone wants them cheap, send me a pm and we’ll work it out. One of the “Biggest Misconceptions” in doing the T4 swap is that you need some “Ultra Short Intake Manifolds” (it depends on the carbs you use). This is one truth that I learned from the T1 side.
A lot of people put bus transaxles in their Baja bugs. Currently, mine is a 5 rib, but the first one I put in was a 3 rib (too low geared). There are two ways to do this: the cheap and easy way (wrong IMNSHO) and the right way.
The easy way is to buy cheap solid motor mounts that lifts the transaxles higher in the frame horns. You then cut a hole in the tunnel and weld a shift box on top of the tunnel. The shift rod then is on top of the tunnel and you loose the e-brake.
The other way is to either buy very expensive motor mounts, (or like me) make your own. Then the nose of the transaxles is tilted down so the shift rod is still in the tunnel. When you do this the engine and transaxles are tilted about 15°. This is a very common practice and I have never heard of an engine or transaxles failure that was brought on by doing this.
So I used this method to setup my conversion, I set the engine height by the type of intake system I was going to use. I was a little concerned though, since I was going to be using an auto. So I talked with Ray G about this, and he felt that a couple of degrees would not hurt the auto either.
So I assembled an empty long block, put on the manifolds, carbs and air cleaner and made my motor mounts to give me the clearance I needed. However, I did pay attention to the force that was being placed on the front transaxles mount since they are NLA. The one problem I ran into was when I swapped over to the Brazilian Webers. They were a taller carb, but I found some shorty manifolds for the baby Webers. They bolted right up and were the same height as the stock carb and manifold setup.
Now in VWFYE’s and Bobnotch’s situations, you already have your motor mounts made. However, if you needed a little extra room to switch your intake systems, I would probably try and make some spacer / adapters to drop the engine a little bit instead of going to the expense of getting the ultra shorty manifolds.
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73 Squareback - 2L, T4, Automatic W/ AC
Gone, but many fond memories 69 Baja Bug 2010 - 5 Rib Bus Transaxle
Gone but not forgotten 72 Baja Bug 2010
My builds
T4 into Squareback http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=458944&highlight=
Auto Trans Rebuild http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=516066&highlight=
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Bobnotch
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I like it. Nice clean install. Did you have to cut down the bus intakes? Just asking, because I've got a set of carbs and manifolds for a t-4, and that would give me an option if I don't like how the FI works on my t-4 engine. I mean the FI works ok, but it is an older set up. 
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TommyBoyGomes
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| wow, well done. I'm always impressed by folks who do non-hack T4 installations into a T3. |
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