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PostPosted: Mon Apr 19, 2021 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

All,

I have really learned a lot from watching JL in Lakewood, California.

Honest and down to earth. Makes the covers and shows you how to put them on. For the average DIY guy.

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PostPosted: Sun Apr 18, 2021 5:20 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

I thought I'd finish off my thread with some photos of my front cab. Here's what work I did:
1. Refinished headliner
2. New seat pedestal rubber
3. Hand made kick panels covered with orange vinyl
4. New component speakers in kick panels
5. New orange carpet
6. Orange bordered floor mats
7. New seat upholstery for bucket seats and box top
8. And a nifty little cloth trash bin that my sister made Smile


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Thanks for all the help and advice along the way!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:45 am    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

Thanks to everyone for all the photos and advice. Here's a couple pix of the seats installed and the new pedestal rubber. I'm holding off installing the new orange carpet until I get some wiring work completed.


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The only thing I'm not totally satisfied with is that the big round seat adjustment knob doesn't seem to be working right since I disassembled it when working on the upholstery. (photo taken before reassembly)


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I got it all put back together but it doesn't turn far before it binds up. I believe its supposed to adjust the position of the seat back? Whatever it's supposed to do its not doing it.
Also I still haven't attempted to cut the holes for the headrests. That will be a project for another day.
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 2:16 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

Exactly what I needed. Thank you! I now know the order to reassemble it, I'm just struggling to get the rounded end of the bracket to align with the threaded screw hole in the frame. No matter how hard I push on the bracket I can't get it down far enough to line the bracket up with the hole. I'll wait until the muscle (my wife Very Happy ) gets home to lend an extra set of hands.
Just about finished although I admit I'm paranoid about trying to cut the headrest holes. Hard to explain w/o photos, but that tall lip the coco fiber back created at the top of the chair back left about an inch and a half difference in height between the top of the coco fiber and the frame where the holes for the headrest are. It created a saggy gap at the back edge of the top of the chair back so I added several layers of batting to fill the space. As a result I can't easily feel the head rest holes through the vinyl.
what I will probably do is use the old covers as a template to mark the holes.
Wish me luck! Confused
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 29, 2020 9:26 am    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

dr8track wrote:


I do have a question someone can hopefully answer. I needlessly removed the driver seat back adjustment rod. Now I can't remember how it reattached.

Wondering if anyone might give me some guidance.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 10:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

Here is the almost finished results. I haven't cut holes for the headrests yet.

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I do have a question someone can hopefully answer. I needlessly removed the driver seat back adjustment rod. Now I can't remember how it reattached.

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Wondering if anyone might give me some guidance.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 4:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

I'm running into a few challenges, but am forging ahead. I had hoped to finish last night, but I wore myself out trying to wrestle these covers into place. Here's the progress so far.


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The seats went pretty smoothly, but the seat backs are a pain! I don't see any possible way that bottom flap of plaid material is going to wrap under the seat back and attach to the metal bar in back like the original did. These covers could have definitely been bigger and they would still have fit snugly. As it is, there just isn't enough material to reach that bar.
I'm going to try a couple of things. First I'm going to swap the gray batting for some thinnere batting I got. That should give me a bit more fabric to work with on the cover.
However, I'm doubtful its going to be enough. My second option is to stitch a strip of orange vinyl to that plaid fabric to give me enough length to pul it tight and attach it to the bar in back.

I'll send an update later.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

Globespotter wrote:
The hog rings are used to attach the bottom cover to the seat base. They basically grabbed around the wire or string and allowed you to pull the cover tighter by attaching to the metal frame underneath.


This exactly. I used hog rings on the burlap covering the frame and since I used the foam cushions, I secured those with hog rings as well.

For your application, I wouldn't use hog rings on the coco husks. I believe the coco pads just sit over the canvas material...however I wouldn't want them shifting around on your canvas, so I would probably secure them to your canvas with spray adhesive...? Maybe someone else has experience with that and could chime in with advise.

For clarity, here I highlighted where I used the hog rings:

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Addressing your other questions:

  • Coco cushions: not sure on sliding the coco husks over the frames and I don't know how pliable they are...but from what I'm thinking you're going to have to make them fit over, so just be careful not to tear them.

  • Seat bottom cover wire: I can't tell from your pictures of your frames, but maybe you can show us - on your frames, do you have the "V" tabs securing the vinyl edges of the seat material to the frame? Mine do and in some spots where the wire ran through the bottom edge at the back/bottom of the seats, the vinyl is punctured by the "V" and secured in place with help of the wire. If that doesn't make sense, I can take a couple of pictures of mine for you.

  • Thinner wire: as far as the wire to the frame, take pictures before you disassemble, and put the new ones on just like the old, and secure them in the same spots. And yes, the wire ends will twist together - the wire helps secure the bottom of the covers are secure to the frames and don't get pulled around over time. You can trim the excess after secured. Also, those "V" shaped tabs are somewhat pliable and you can bend them slightly as needed, but be careful not to bend them too many times or they weaken and will break.



BTW, those are going to look great when you're done, please show us your progress as you go!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

The hog rings are used to attach the bottom cover to the seat base. They basically grabbed around the wire or string and allowed you to pull the cover tighter by attaching to the metal frame underneath.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:42 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

Thanks for the photos and the info everyone. I'm thankful for the photos becaause mine were in such terrible shape there were few clues to know what the materials originally looked like.

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I have everything now and am about to start. Here is my list of materials:

1. Coco fiber seat cushions and backs for driver and passenger seat - Wolfberg West
2. Orange plaid seat covers from NLA VW Parts
3. Grey batting material from TMI Products

Extras I picked up for the project:

4. Light canvas to cover springs
5. Very thin batting material for covering any exposed coco fiber
6. Hog Ring pliers and assorted hog rings

Before I jump into this I had a couple of questions. For those who used the coco fiber pads, how flexible is it? It's a tight fit on the seat back.

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In just checking the fit, if I slide it into position on one side of the seat back there is probably a 3/4" lip on the other side.

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Can I safely carefully pull the edge of the coco fiber back to slip over the frame w;o the coco fiber breaking?

Another question is about the seat bottom covers. The new covers are slightly different in the way they attach. There is a fairly thick wire that runs through the seam and then ends with a small loop.


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The old covers had a series of thinner wire that was run through the frame and then out holes and twisted to secure it.


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I'm assuming on the new one I just pull those wire ends tight to secure it and then connect the looped ends to each other? To somewhere on the frame?

Final question, what are the hog ring pliers for? I am not seeing any obvious rings that I had to remove and need to be replaced. I see in an earlier post that hog clips were used to secure burlap to the frame. I will use them for that, but just wondering what other purpose they serve in the process?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

Upholstery restoration starts on page 7

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

I did my Bug, but it should be the same. I ordered the covers and pads from Wolfsburg West and they came with a tutorial video.

Scroll to Day 13 here for photos:

http://globespotter.com/survivor/
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 21, 2020 10:49 am    Post subject: Re: Photos Seat Reupholstery Reply with quote

I don't have a formal thread on the whole process, but I did take some pictures that may help you and others - if there's enough demand for a better DIY, I'd be glad to put something together.

My seats were pretty roached... the OEM coconut husks were crumbling and they turned to some kind of sticky mess on the rubber seat mats when combined with the humidity, and the original basketweave vinyl was just cracking and falling apart. I went with Sewfine covers, new foam and burlap base wrap, and one of the seats needed a new foam cap.

Burlap I picked up at a local fabric store. The rest came from Sewfine, which I highly recommend - they helped me over the phone and answered all my silly questions when I ordered. Be sure to pick up hog rings and hog ring pliers, I secured the burlap and foam base to the frame. And I used spray adhesive to secure the foam to the burlap (I think this is an optional step). It also helps to have some fine gauge solid wire (I used 18ga./1.2mm galvanized solid wire) if needed to secure the seat vinyl to the frame. Replace the foam caps if needed, these are required to be in good shape for your seat covers to install correctly.

Let me expand on that last statement...all years of Bus seats are different - I have an earlier Bay, so the seat frame has foam top caps, and on the side and bottom there are these nice little "V" shaped teeth around the perimeter of the round seat frame tube which puncture and secure the vinyl to the frame. The seat covers need a small run of wire inserted through vinyl edge to help secure the long sections to the "V" teeth. It's hard to explain, and I failed to get many pictures of that but I can pull them quick and capture that if needed. NOTE: always take pictures as you disassemble, so you have a reference for reassembly - your mileage may vary!


My configuration is the 1/3 - 2/3 seats (1972 non walkthrough) setup from Sewfine:

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I started with the 2/3 side...here's what my seats looked like before:

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Pulled them apart, and pressure washed all the gunk off, dried them, and then sprayed with a couple coats of satin black Rustoleum (this is a before picture):

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Laid down a layer of burlap, 3" of overlap on the sides, and attached with hog rings, a ring every 6-8 inches around the frame:

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Spray with some adhesive and set the foam on the seat over the burlap - be sure to get the foam lined up all the way back to the back edge of the seat frame:

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At this point, I rinsed and repeated the back of the 2/3 side, and finished it up, and moved onto the 1/3 drivers side:


I worked on the back first this time, and then the bottom. Again, attached the burlap to the frame and got it ready for foam:

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Same procedure as the passengers side, here you can see the burlap and foam, and also how I attached the bottom lip of the seat foam to the frame using the hog rings:

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This is the set after install and put back into the Bus - one of the best investements in the transformation...they look fantastic, fit perfectly, and are super comfortable to sit on. Huge thanks to Sewfine!

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 20, 2020 3:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Resto-raider wrote:
I did mine 4 weeks ago with new upholstery from TMI in the 'original' fabric and pattern, Basketweave vinyl.


4 weeks huh? Well I think I am at the other end of that time range. Just 9+ years after my original inquiry I finally purchased seat covers from a German company. Even with shipping they were almost $200 less than any price I could find from a company in the states. I believe they were $265 with shipping for the pair. Mine are the Westfalia orange plaid.
I still have my coco fiber cushions and batting. Just need to pick up some fabric or vinyl to cover the springs and frame edges.
I'll post some photos after I'm done. I also picked up the replacement orange front carpeting, so it should make a big difference when finished.
Thanks for the photos. They will be very helpful.
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 5:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

We redid the front seats on our 74 Westy. My son posted detailed pictures and instructions. Look for ouir thread (My 74 Westy).
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i just did this on my single cab. prior to it, i did my 71 westy. at any rate, to do the job right (on the earlier seats) you need to run a stiff wire (mechanics wire) into the seat, using the string to pull it through the seat covers. i personally don't bother with the felt or any of that, but i do use foam (like OE) on the backrest corners. my first set (71 westy) came out *mint* the 2/3 1/3 in my single cab had me so pissed off, i about tossed the covers in the woods. both sets were TMI, but the ones for the single cab were too big. i finally got them smooth, but what a pain. i also cut a thick black trash bag and place it over the hair pad. the seat covers slide right on, and do not get hung up. just my 0.02
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 4:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I threw my seat covers in the dryer for about 5 minutes to soften/heat them up before the install. It helped a lot.
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Those were probably mine. Start here:
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and click on the thumbnails to the left.

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PostPosted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 6:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for all the input everyone. Very helpful. Problem I had with my seats is all that was left was the vinyl/fabric cover. All the stuffing was long gone.
I'll see how I do and report back later.
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