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stale air Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 5:33 am Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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From the classifieds...
Agave under Capri on the lid.
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buck Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 12:39 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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After reading through this topic the door that is on my oval would appear to have been done at the factory. I see zero sign of any kind of respray work even under the window rubber is diamond green . Can't imagine someone going through all that to replace and repaint a door after the fact. Also seems to have original chalk marking from factory?
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jays58s Samba Member

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 1:38 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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House wrote: |
The whole color palette!
Could it be Beryl Green instead of Yukon Yellow?
Doesn’t make sense at all why it would be painted Yukon when it isn’t a convertible part…
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I keep forgetting about beryl, that’s probably what it is. Yes, it’s an original Morse car. I bought it about 9 years ago I believe, then sold it to a friend, then he sold it to another friend of mine. I have it listed for sale for him currently, but I might just buy it back!
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House Minutia Militia

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 1:19 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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The whole color palette!
Could it be Beryl Green instead of Yukon Yellow?
Doesn’t make sense at all why it would be painted Yukon when it isn’t a convertible part…
Original Morse car? I’d like to see more of it! |
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jays58s Samba Member

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Posted: Sun May 11, 2025 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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These pictures got deleted from my previous post a while back because I posted them through photobucket, so I figured I’d repost them and host them on the samba. This is the engine lid on an original paint Ruby red 1961 Vw Beetle. It has Ruby red, Turkis, pastel blue (61 only color), black, and what appears to be Yukon yellow, which was available for 1961 convertibles apparently.
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splitjunkie Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 09, 2025 4:34 am Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
Here's your smoking gun, folks. These bodies were plucked from the assembly line by inspectors. Parts substitutions were made and they were popped
right back on the line. Note the shelves of single fenders in the background.
It makes sense that the repainted parts would then go right back on the shelves. |
I don't that that's what we are seeing. Freshly painted bodies were placed on those dollies so they could be inspected. Minor blemishes were marked with a grease pencil and buffed out where possible. I've seen pictures and film of them being looked over while on these dollies. From there they would go to the assembly line to be fitted out before being married to the completed floor pan. They only were hung on these overhead conveyors through the open windows before placed on the dollies. Once the shells were complete they would go back overhead, but being lifted with slings that held the shell by the fender openings. _________________ Chris
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jays58s Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 08, 2025 10:43 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Gulf blue under original black on my old 1961 ragtop that was built November of 1960.
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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:33 am Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Here is a pic of late fenders from page 7
VWoA had an amazing parts network, my guess would be a few central hubs that would stock then ship to individual dealers when parts were ordered. It is correct that many dealers did paint primered replacement parts and you can tell. Most of the time the paint color or type does not match and fades/cracks quickly. Unfortunate really as genuine factory paint was still available but Im sure price drove the quality. _________________ Grapes of Wrath $200 Engine Rebuild
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stale air Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Mar 13, 2024 5:46 am Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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I posted this way back on page 6, but thought I would throw this back in the mix, due to the conversation above...
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado

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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 8:30 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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But would those replacement parts be stacked on the production floor, or shipped out directly to distributors? (I haven't heard of pre-painted factory parts being available from a dealer, at least not in North America. All NOS parts I've seen are in primer. This would require distributors to stock fenders, doors and lids in every color rather than simply letting dealers paint them. It's a great idea, but I'm not sure it would get past the bean counters.)
Fun topic!
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splitjunkie Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 7:31 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
splitjunkie wrote: |
Interesting photo, but not really conclusive on what the fenders are meant for ... the fenders on the shelves could be for the spare parts program, for in house replacements on the assembly line, or both. |
The bodies were painted with all four fenders attached by long spacers. Here we see bodies being pulled from production, at least one body with a fender removed, and replacements on shelves in the background. While not 100% conclusive, it would seem the best evidence so far in support of 61SNRF's theory. |
I am aware of how they were painted and I get that there is at least one shell missing a fender indicating a QC failure awaiting a replacement. My point is that they pre-painted fenders for the spare parts program so some of those are most likely for that use. I'm not sure how popular it was, but dealers could buy a prepainted fenders instead of having their body shop paint it. Some probably were for replacements on the assembly line, but I am not buying that all of those are for that one purpose. _________________ Chris
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado

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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:32 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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splitjunkie wrote: |
Interesting photo, but not really conclusive on what the fenders are meant for ... the fenders on the shelves could be for the spare parts program, for in house replacements on the assembly line, or both. |
The bodies were painted with all four fenders attached by long spacers. Here we see bodies being pulled from production, at least one body with a fender removed, and replacements on shelves in the background. While not 100% conclusive, it would seem the best evidence so far in support of 61SNRF's theory. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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61SNRF Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 5:06 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Thanks for the photos and comments guys, all good info!
Myself and my friend also saw an original paint beryl green '62 driving up the freeway recently with two of these fenders showing through, one on the right front and on the right rear, sadly could not get a picture of it as we rolled by.
One day I'd like to have any one of these parts just to hang on the wall as a conversation piece. Anyone knowing of one for sale please let me know  _________________ -Bruce
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splitjunkie Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:51 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Blue Baron wrote: |
Here's your smoking gun, folks. These bodies were plucked from the assembly line by inspectors. Parts substitutions were made and they were popped
right back on the line. Note the shelves of single fenders in the background.
It makes sense that the repainted parts would then go right back on the shelves. |
Interesting photo, but not really conclusive on what the fenders are meant for. The portion of video that Altewagen posted, although from the late 60's shows individual fenders coming off the same line as body shells. You could buy pre-painted fenders from the dealer so they would have gotten painted in the factory, on the same line as the body shells. So the fenders on the shelves could be for the spare parts program, for in house replacements on the assembly line, or both.
I'm sure VW had people doing the statistics over time for how many of any given color spare fenders they would need, but it would never be exact. Black might have had the highest reject rate since it shows defects much more than other colors, or they could have just made some number of each color based on the numbers of cars they made for each color.
One thing to ponder is, what would VW do when a body came off the line with paint defects to the basic shell itself? Would they strip the bolt on parts, put them back into circulation for spares for the line and spare parts program, or would they repaint the entire shell or just certain panels, keeping the original bolt ons with the shell?
Obviously, VW wasn't scrapping body parts and body shells just for paint defects. I suspect repainting parts for the assembly line was/is common practice in the industry.
It is obvious though, that VW did recycle and repaint rejected body parts for internal use on the line, and perhaps for the spare parts program. But it is also obvious that owners, body shops, and probably even dealers sometimes bought parts from junkyards and repainted them to match. So you can't automatically assume that it came from the factory that way just because you have a different color peeking through the top coat. _________________ Chris
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splitjunkie Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Those are most likely for the spare parts pool. You could buy pre-painted fenders from the dealer. They could also be for in house replacement of rejected fenders found during assembly, or a combination of both. _________________ Chris
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado

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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 3:25 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Here's another interesting photo, this time from the 1950s.
Here we have freshly painted bodies, with the rejects apparently being repaired in the background. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
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Blue Baron VW Aficionado

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Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2024 2:43 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Here's your smoking gun, folks. These bodies were plucked from the assembly line by inspectors. Parts substitutions were made and they were popped
right back on the line. Note the shelves of single fenders in the background.
It makes sense that the repainted parts would then go right back on the shelves. _________________ We are striving for perfection, to make our cars run forever, if possible.
Heinz Nordhoff
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61SNRF Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Mar 10, 2024 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Nice photo Big Bill, thank you!
Saw this one today at Hot VWs Drag Day in Irwindale Ca.
OG L620 blue 1970 with L20 Clementine showing through on the left rear fender.
Edit: fixed photo link _________________ -Bruce
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Big Bill Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Jan 11, 2022 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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I found this photo on FB it is supposly where cars with defects were repaired. A lot of the cars are ragtops so that confuses me, but some of the cars are missing the front trunk cover and a fender or two. The poster of this photo said it was a line where cars damaged at the factory were brought up to spec. I can also make out a few door card and tail lights in the parts stacked in the photo. It was on FB so it has to be true....right .
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Posted: Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:04 pm Post subject: Re: Beetles with Multi-Colored body parts |
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Here’s my ‘65. It was originally black, looks like it was painted a bunch of times before it sat in a field for 25 years. I’m leaving it as is.
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