Seatbelts

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[19VDuB68]

[mr matt]

This should help.. there is a set for ~ $65, saw this after I ordered an $85 set.

Matt

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Military-HMMWV-3-Point-Fro...2438766685

http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-3-POINT-FRONT-SEATBELT-M...2438766685

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TWO-3-POINT-FRONT-SEAT-BEL...2438766685

[joey1320]

I can't find front humv seat belt kits on eBay but I found one for the rear seats. Are those the same?? The link posted before are no longer working.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/172047127714
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1984 Puma GTC - Sold
1971 Campmobile

[mr matt]

Great! & thanks Cusser for the quick response - and again, for all of your help and contributions to this topic!

[Cusser]

[mr matt]

THANKS FOR THIS TOPIC especially the OP, - and all the contributors.

Just bought these belts for my 71 vert, aka John Doe.
for those who bought it cheap early on... good buy!!

They are for the front seats

Some questions for these belts for the convert.. (I read all 13 pages)...

In summary, what mods are needed to be done for this belt setup?

I ordered the belt bracket from Chucks ( it was unclear whether CIPs is identical or not, one poster said a bolt hole was bigger from CIPs(?)

Cusser mentioned the bolts and gave the sizes (thanks!)

Is it necessary to remove the backing plate as mentioned in the above post?
I understand they have to mounted very vertical to work

Thanks again to everyone who contributed, these are still so much cheaper than Chuck's.

By the way....Has anyone tried Chuck's? curious about their fit, length, ease of installation - just curious

[dvancleve]

Since I am not 100% sure removing those silver rivets on the back is okay, I decided to (carefully) cut most of that thin back plate off:

I used a hacksaw (put Gorilla tape anywhere it might touch), then carefully filed the cut edge and dabbed some black Testors on the silver edges. I am hoping to find the hardware I need the the closest Ace Hardware I can find and get them in the car in the next day or so. Once that plate was off, I found that the raised bumps on the mounting plate don't quite line up with the holes in the retractor. I will need to carefully Dremel the outside edges of the holes to get the bumps to properly seat. It should help keep everything straight though, so it should all be good in the end.

Since it doesn't seem feasible to put these belts in the back and I couldn't find any non-retractable shoulder belts that are a particularly close match, I am going with end-release/Euro style lap belts in back. These seem to be the closest: http://www.retrobeltusa.com/product-p/278-xxx.htm , http://www.seatbeltsplus.com/product/1511-74.html . Anybody have experience with either? I am leaning toward the second ones, because that place also sells the black buttons that cover the bolt heads and I am hoping they will work on the B pillar mounts. I do think it's kind of weird that the female side on them is 34" long. I generally expect that to be the short side and it is only 17" on the RetroBelts. It is a bit shorter on the 60" option, 24", which still seems long to me. Anybody know what the typical bug specific lap belt lengths are?

Thanks, Doug
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'62 ragtop bug w/ '71 1600 dual port

[dvancleve]

Thanks guys. I think I'm going to carefully Dremel those two silver rivets and hope that that back plate is the only thing that comes off. Since seatbelt bolt thread and diameter are standardized, does that mean the bolts generally have the same size head I ask because I want to get some of those black button things that pop onto the bolt head, and I'm probably going to have to order them. It would be lame if they didn't fit on the bolts once they got here…

I think the VW shoulder bolts I have will work for the B pillar mounts, although my 68 is missing most of the headliner in that area:

I plan to get a longer bolt to anchor that loop on the female side with a big washer, a short bolt with a nylon nut or nut with lock washer to attach the belt to the bracket and a short bolt and lock washer to attach the bracket to the floor.

Thanks again, Doug
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'62 ragtop bug w/ '71 1600 dual port

[TX-73]

I've also got the Humvee belts and modified that riveted bracket. In my case I simply trimmed the bracket and added a plastic piece where it rests against the rear seat.
You can look in the build, somewhere in the last few pages.
Those Humvee belts were literally a bolt-in, that little bracket mod was nothing.
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[Cusser]

I have the HumVee belts in my VW, and the pair of adapter brackets.

I did buy some high-strength bolts at Ace Hardware for this; you may want to try Ace Hardware first.


Here's my extra stuff. Bolts (all same thread listed below, measured from bottom of the hex)

2ea 6mm shoulder length, 25mm thread length

4ea 6mm shoulder length, 18mm thread length

2ea NO shoulder, 20mm thread length

Some washers for these: fit over the threaded part of the bolts, but not the shoulder.
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[dvancleve]

[Cusser]

The thread size for seatbelt mounts was standardized at 7/16 inch x 20 thread.
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1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297

[dvancleve]

[dvancleve]

[b1pig]

that rear seat is niiiice. i like that alot.

[Relyt]

Not my pictures, they're Motor7710's who I quoted from earlier in this thread. But yes I found these pictures to be very helpful for my installation.
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[Gravell]

Hey Relyt,

Those pictures are exactly what I need. Thank you.

[Relyt]

[Gravell]